Homegrown hops 2020

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  1. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    I usually have 2 bines per rope and train 4 bines per plant.
    Production will depend on variety, soil fertility and your ability to combat weeds, insects and fungus/mold.

    1 bines per plant will lead to less production of cones. I'd run at least 2 bines per plant, test your soil, fertilize per recommendations per the soil test, learn about insects, and the rest. Walk your hop yard weekly looking for problems.
     
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  2. Peach63

    Peach63 Pooh-Bah (2,442) Jul 17, 2019 New York
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    I use masonry line, strong stuff. I have a hook in my eaves, I put two tent stakes in the ground and run the line in an inverted "V", from the stakes to the hook. I wrap three bines on each side. It works for me.
     
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  3. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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    So you end up with 6 bines co-mingling as they approach the apex? I'm guessing each of the 6 are the same varietal, but maybe not from the same rhizome (separate, spaced plantings)?

    For a 4x4 if you can dig a hole about 18” deep and twice the width of the pole you can set the pole, backfill and tamp firmly as you go. I’ve done that with lean-to’s in sandy-ish soil and it worked fine. Keep in mind tho, that was for a structure with vertical load…..not a hops trellis with twine pulling on it. (I've wondered how much a mature bine flush w/hops weighs.)

    Some/most cements have sodium hydroxide, which is caustic (think pH of 12 – 13).
    4x4 pressure treated posts are usually suitable for ground (and cement) contact. In the past, pressure treated 2x4’s were typically not suitable for ground contact, but I’m seeing more and more that are. The label stapled to the end of the board should state if it’s suitable for ground contact (if it doesn't, assume it's not). If they’re not and you put them in the ground, the cement (or moisture if not in cement) will rot them over time. This can be mitigated somewhat by slathering them with roofing tar from the bottom to just above the ground line.

    My above-ground setup is similar in construction to @jmdrpi (but mine ain't as purdy) . Mine has no ‘below-ground’….all poles and bracing are attached to the frame of a raised bed, and to my deck. Pics to follow at some point.
     
  4. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    So when I built the hop trelis setup back in 2012, I actually documented the process in a couple of blog posts:
    http://harleysvillehomestead.blogspot.com/2012/05/hop-trellis-build.html
    http://harleysvillehomestead.blogspot.com/2012/06/hop-trellis-build-part-2.html

    The concrete footers are probably way over engineered, but they've been rock solid every since. Every fall I un-bolt and take down the top halves of the second set of poles, and then put them back up when needed in the spring. The 2x4s for these sections have warped a little, but not too bad.
     
  5. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    I got locust growing in the woodlot so I auger a 4 foot hole and wee waa part of a tree 6-8 inch diameter right in.

    definatly not purdy,ie ripper, but very functional and rugged. use 1/4 inch cable between poles and baler twine for the bines. cheap and functional.
     
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  6. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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    Locust will last for decades.
    Now that's what I'm talkin' about......


    Full view of the mini-me hopyard; Cascade on the left, Golding on the right.
    From the top cross member there are two 3/32” galvanized stranded guy wires, leaving the pic to the right.
    The wood and galv cable were scrap/scavenged, as was the PVC pipe (IV’s for liquid fert).

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    The guy wires are anchored to the deck handrail with hook-bolts and turnbuckles for taking up slack.
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  7. Jasonja1474

    Jasonja1474 Savant (1,100) Oct 15, 2018 Tennessee
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    I see my house from there! Ever find any ginseng in them hills?
     
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  8. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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    Found some but for the most part I leave them be. For me, small amounts aren't worth the risk of running afoul of the law, and large stands aren't worth the risk of running afoul of the true 'sang hunters.
    However, I have wondered if ginseng would make a healthy, zippy cure-all pale ale.......
     
  9. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    go ripper. lookin good, wish i could post pics. id show ya how cheap i really am, hahahahahh
     
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  10. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    My pvc and chicken wire is an abomination....
     
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  11. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    As long as it works, all good
     
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  12. Jasonja1474

    Jasonja1474 Savant (1,100) Oct 15, 2018 Tennessee
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    My thoughts exactly. I work with some hunters. They usually leave a few roots in my toolbox for me every season. Brown bag style lol. Talk about a good energetic work day!!
     
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  13. Peach63

    Peach63 Pooh-Bah (2,442) Jul 17, 2019 New York
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    All my bines on each line are of the same variety and each variety is spaced far enough apart so they don't screw around with each other. :wink:
     
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  14. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    A friend wanted some hops so I dug up cascade, centenial, chinook and Columbus for him. He planted them close and they intermingle , impossible to get apart, so, I refer to those bags as Glenys Blend.
    Really quite nice.
    My plants are 4-5 feet apart so very little mixing if any.
     
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  15. Peach63

    Peach63 Pooh-Bah (2,442) Jul 17, 2019 New York
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    I seem to recall reading, only female plants produce cones. So, aren't they all female?
     
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  16. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I think he meant that his bines are not so close as to physically cross over each other, and thus do not cause confusion about which variety is which.
     
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  17. Peach63

    Peach63 Pooh-Bah (2,442) Jul 17, 2019 New York
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    Ah, ok. Clears that up! :slight_smile:
     
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  18. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    Thanks vikeman
     
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  19. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    Installed a few lines yesterday. If it don't freeze this weekend I'll put up the rest Monday. If they do freeze and die, modem all down, rake off the debris and figure on a late crop.
     
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  20. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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    Most recommendations suggest 2 - 3 bines per line. I have 4 training on one line now that could do well if, like gorm, they don't freeze this weekend
    I can cut the runt, but wondering about the reasoning for less than 4. Is it a nutrient issue, crowding, disease susceptibility, other causes of stunting.....?
     
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