Homegrown hops 2020

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  1. Peach63

    Peach63 Zealot (543) Jul 17, 2019 New York
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    Rip, what does that do? Is it for bugs? I do have a problem with small green beetles later on in the season. Hop aphids, I presume.
     
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  2. Granitebeard

    Granitebeard Initiate (126) Aug 24, 2016 Maine

    Neem is an all rounder when it comes to plant health. It works on bugs and diseases, and lastly acts as a fertilizer of sorts. It works. I use it later in conjunction with some Bonide products as it is natural. A couple things to remember, natural/organic does not mean safe for everything. Neem oil won't hurt you, it just kind of has a smell. But neem oil will kill most any insect that is on or near your plants. Just saying save the bees...
     
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  3. riptorn

    riptorn Disciple (381) Apr 26, 2018 North Carolina
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    I used it for the first time last year on the recommendation of @Granitebeard and @GormBrewhouse and am applying it this year to my tomatoes as well (for aphids). It also has fungicidal properties
    I think earlier in this thread Granitebeard suggested to stop using it on hops when flowers appear, and that agrees with other sources that say it works better on early growth.

    This, from a short article about the oil, has me wondering about application strength and rate:
    "The oil has a half life of three to 22 days in soil, but only 45 minutes to four days in water."
    https://www.gardeningknowhow.com/plant-problems/pests/pesticides/neem-oil-uses.htm
    Directions for the organic concentrate from Lowe's say to mix 2-4 tablespoons oil to a gallon of water and apply weekly. Considering the half-life (in water) of <1 day to 4 days, I'm wondering if it should be applied more frequently, or maybe mixed a little stronger.

    ETA: Not sure it would (or would not) be effective on your late-season beetles.
     
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  4. Peach63

    Peach63 Zealot (543) Jul 17, 2019 New York
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    Thanks guys.:+1: I'll check Lowe's for it and give it a try.
     
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  5. riptorn

    riptorn Disciple (381) Apr 26, 2018 North Carolina
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    Found it.....it was actually @GormBrewhouse who mentioned when to stop neem oil, in post # 14 of the thread linked < here >.
     
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  6. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Devotee (407) May 2, 2006 Utah

    Just a picture of my hops at present. Close to 10 feet tall at this point. I'll need to keep a lookout for aphids, as they have been a problem in the past. I also need to do better at keeping nonproducing bines trimmed back this year. Cheers!

    [​IMG]
     
  7. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Devotee (493) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont

    Looks good, my tallest ones are 3 feet
     
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  8. Peach63

    Peach63 Zealot (543) Jul 17, 2019 New York
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    Got my Neem oil from Lowe's & picked a cheap 1 qt. pressurized sprayer from Dollar General. Got the bines all sprayed down. Sprayer works much easier than a spray bottle. Tallest plants are already 8 feet.
     
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  9. Soneast

    Soneast Champion (834) May 9, 2008 Wisconsin

    Well, my Cascade seems to have recovered, and looks pretty healthy now. Who knows, maybe it was just transplant shock and I jumped to conclusions, due to the past issues I had in that box with the Bramlin Cross.

    [​IMG]
     
  10. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Poo-Bah (6,945) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    Anyone else from PA / NJ / NY have any suggestion for an organic solution for killing Spotted Lanternfly nymphs on their hops?

    Last year I tried Spinosad which definitely didn't kill them instantly, it was tough to tell whether I was killing them, or whether every day there were new ones to spray.

    I spotted (no pun intended) some stage 1 nymphs for the first time yesterday. :angry:
     
  11. riptorn

    riptorn Disciple (381) Apr 26, 2018 North Carolina
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  12. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Devotee (493) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont

    never had a problem with that bug, yet, see if they can be smothered with neem or whas known as crop oil. Crop oil does not have the fungicidal properties that neem does, but can and does kill many insects.

    as with most organic methods it is short lived and will wash off in the rain. no systemic organic sprays i am aware off.

    good luck
     
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  13. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Poo-Bah (6,945) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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  14. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Poo-Bah (6,945) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    You are lucky, I don't think they have been reported in Vermont yet. I'm in Montgomery County PA, which is close to "ground zero" as they were first discovered in Berks County in 2014.
    [​IMG]

    I found a table of recommended insecticides from Penn State:
    https://extension.psu.edu/spotted-lanternfly-management-for-homeowners

    They do rate neem oil as "good" but like you said, "poor" residual activity. I'll have to figure something out and may have to abandon my desire to stay organic. Because they ruined by hop harvest last year, too many cones ended up with their "honeydew" (their shit is sugary and sticky).
     
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  15. Hanglow

    Hanglow Champion (810) Feb 18, 2012 Scotland

    Mine are about 10ft for the centennial and my hallertau is easily 14 feet now. Although that's up about 7ft then along 7ft

    Biggest trouble for me in the past has been wind damage
     
  16. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Poo-Bah (6,945) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    As usual, the Cascades are winning the race over the Nugget
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  17. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Devotee (493) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont

    Cascades always win here, but willamette is a close second
     
  18. Hanglow

    Hanglow Champion (810) Feb 18, 2012 Scotland

    Ten days on and my hallertau is now over 20ft and run out of line. Centennial is probably 16ft now. Both throwing out loads of sideshoots.

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  19. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Devotee (493) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont

    Beauty, mine are behind, very dry and lots of crop to water.
     
  20. Soneast

    Soneast Champion (834) May 9, 2008 Wisconsin

    My three year Spalt Select were the last to show shoots this spring, but the first to grow to the end of my 15' trellis (about a week ago) with about another 3' hanging over currently. My other three year plants (Northern Brewer and Glacier) have just begun to reach the top. My first year plants (Cascade and Prussian) are only about half way there, as to be expected.
     
  21. Granitebeard

    Granitebeard Initiate (126) Aug 24, 2016 Maine

    I'm behind... Just getting strings up now and am lucky if anything is 3' tall.
     
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  22. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Poo-Bah (6,945) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    My Cascades now have burrs
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  23. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Devotee (493) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont

    Your way out in front of me.

    Got to water the hop yard last night

    It's gonna b a low producing year up here unless one has irrigation set up. Very dry and 90s. If I had drip irrigation set up it would be a banner year. Glad I have a lot of plants,,,,,, but,,,

    At the art foundry, it's low da posh ground. This year it is perfict growing conditions, so we measured yesterday and the bines are 20 feet and up, side shoots extremely long, no bugs or fungus yet.
     
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  24. VikeMan

    VikeMan Poo-Bah (1,948) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Mine ran out of line and are headed back toward the ground. Pretty sure this is the fastest growth I've seen here.
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  25. riptorn

    riptorn Disciple (381) Apr 26, 2018 North Carolina
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    Mine are at least a couple weeks behind @jmdrpi and @VikeMan (who looks to have a nifty quick-release for the lines).
     
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  26. VikeMan

    VikeMan Poo-Bah (1,948) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Well, I do have two engineers for sons.
     
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  27. riptorn

    riptorn Disciple (381) Apr 26, 2018 North Carolina
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    "No Dad! You gotta close the window BEFORE letting go of the line!"
     
  28. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Devotee (407) May 2, 2006 Utah

    Variety?
     
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  29. VikeMan

    VikeMan Poo-Bah (1,948) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Center and right: Nugget. Left: either Cascade or Centennial, depending on which plant the trained bine came up from. I'll hopefully be able to tell from the aroma, but we'll see.
     
  30. Granitebeard

    Granitebeard Initiate (126) Aug 24, 2016 Maine

    Yesterday and today saw my lines go up. Really needed to do it sooner... more time spent trying to pick bines then actually deal with strings... Surprised to see some EKG about 4 ft and a couple comets about the same. Most between a 1-3 ft. Hopefully the grow well with my new drip irrigation.
     
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  31. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Devotee (407) May 2, 2006 Utah

    Well, the aphids have made an appearance this year; I just noticed them today. I'm going to give them a dose of neem oil in the morning. Will see how that works. Cheers!
     
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  32. Soneast

    Soneast Champion (834) May 9, 2008 Wisconsin

    Just found Japanese beetles all over my plants yesterday. So I soaked my plants in neem oil. I have to deal with those damn things every year, despite using grub control etc. Tried partner plants that the beetles dislike such as catnip and onions and garlic etc, but obviously those do no good when the beetles are attacking hop leaves 15 feet above them, lol. Oh well, they never seem to do any permanent damage as long as I keep up with the neem oil.

    Seeing some burrs on my Northern Brewer. Always my earliest plant to start producing flowers.
     
  33. MrOH

    MrOH Meyvn (1,244) Jul 5, 2010 Maryland

    I might plant a couple of rhizomes next year. Is catnip a real deterrent? If it works, that's cool and all, but I got a crazy cat lady next door that leaves cat food out for strays, but really all it does is attract foxes, raccoons, and opossums. I would prefer to not encourage her. You mentioned onions and garlic. Could planting chives work as welll?
     
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  34. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Poo-Bah (6,945) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    They are on this list:
    https://www.countrybasketniagara.co...panese-beetles-dont-like-deter-niagara-garden

    for me, what Japanese beetles attack are mostly my fruit trees, so I don't think these low growing plants really help.
     
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  35. Peach63

    Peach63 Zealot (543) Jul 17, 2019 New York
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    Coming along good. About 12'.

    [​IMG]
     
  36. deadwolfbones

    deadwolfbones Initiate (153) Jun 21, 2014 Oregon

    My hops got a super late start due to moving, they were plagued with aphids (used neem and it took care of them), and they're in a suboptimal position due to the way our new house is oriented, so I don't have a lot of hope for this season. Next year, though...
     
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  37. Hanglow

    Hanglow Champion (810) Feb 18, 2012 Scotland

    Top of my hallertau m. went to about 25ft then snapped back, centennial is now 20ft. Also seeing shoots rising up along my neighbourse fence.....sorry not sorry:grin:
     
  38. riptorn

    riptorn Disciple (381) Apr 26, 2018 North Carolina
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    That's funny!
     
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  39. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Devotee (493) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont

    Finally got to irrigate the hop yard, then got 1.5 inches of rain.

    Most are up to the 15 foot cable now except Columbus which is around 10 ft. Willamette and cascade over the top side arms just forming. And, of course, the weeds are a growin.
     
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  40. riptorn

    riptorn Disciple (381) Apr 26, 2018 North Carolina
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    Coming off the bine about every 6-8” are two opposing leaves. There are small stems growing from the joint of the leaves and the bine. I’m guessing those are what some are referring to as side shoots or side stems (some of mine are 6-8” long and growing).

    On a healthy plant, will flowers be produced on those side stems….or should they be pruned?
    I can post a pic later today if that will help.
     
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