Introduction to German Beer

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  1. BigIronH

    BigIronH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,762) Oct 31, 2019 Michigan
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    Thanks Jack this is very helpful.
     
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    BigIronH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,762) Oct 31, 2019 Michigan
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    I sure will. I have planned another trip to the establishment for next weekend and I will definitely update at that time in addition to sharing what I buy.
     
  3. BigIronH

    BigIronH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,762) Oct 31, 2019 Michigan
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    I did actually pick up a Hefeweizen while I was there but it wasn’t an import. It was a local rendition. The Hef by Frankenmuth brewery if you’re familiar. I liked it but wasn’t taken aback by it and it was actually what triggered the questions regarding if there is a difference in technique or ingredients compared to what we have here and what the Germans actually do while brewing their beers, especially beers of German style.
     
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    BigIronH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,762) Oct 31, 2019 Michigan
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    Worst case scenario I’m back to NEIPA and milk stout. You’d push a hard bargain to get me back to bud light. :laughing:
     
  5. BigIronH

    BigIronH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,762) Oct 31, 2019 Michigan
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    Thanks Goose, this is very helpful. FYI, the store is Ashes and Ales in Frankenmuth, which I know is a long way from you but the drive may very wel be worth it especially if you’re a cigar smoker to boot.
     
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    BigIronH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,762) Oct 31, 2019 Michigan
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    Ashes and Ales right down the street is where I was, I’ll check out Kerns next. I’m local to the area so a trip back soon is no inconvenience. Thanks for the tip.
     
  7. miwestcoaster

    miwestcoaster Grand Pooh-Bah (3,981) Jan 19, 2013 Michigan
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    Right back at you. AA must be a fairly new business and certainly new to me. Cheers!
     
  8. Stignacious

    Stignacious Pooh-Bah (1,878) Aug 24, 2011 New York
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    IPA's probably won't handle the trip to the USA very well, but three that I've had:
    - Down, from BRLO (A collaboration with Run the Jewels)
    And
    - Yeast is King, and Creeping Shadows by FrauGruber
    Were all solid versions of the style.

    That being said, if you're going to buy an import I highly recommend anything that's more representative of German beer culture. Ayinger, Hacker Pschorr, and Augustiner do great things.
     
  9. BigIronH

    BigIronH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,762) Oct 31, 2019 Michigan
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    Awesome I appreciate the input. Cheers!
     
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    BigIronH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,762) Oct 31, 2019 Michigan
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    Currently planning my trip to the Creek to tune up with Goose.
     
  11. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Heh -- not trying to push you back, just advocating to move slow. :slight_smile:
     
  12. guinness77

    guinness77 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,554) Jan 6, 2014 New York
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    Not to derail this thread but the Helles really isn’t smoky at all. I would say it’s one of the best, straight up, Helles’ there are.
    But I do agree that anything from Schlenkerla might be a bit jarring for a newbie.
     
  13. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    There's enough residual smoke in the Helles that I think it would turn off the uninitiated. I have friends who I got to try it and they stopped speaking to me. :wink:
     
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  14. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    It’s going to be very difficult to figure dates as the German Brewers tend to be a bit liberal with their Best BY date. If it’s not clearly understandable I just pass, I’m not walking around with a notebook full of codes and Julian dates. I’ll just buy US made beers, I’ve got no patience at all there.
     
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  15. BigIronH

    BigIronH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,762) Oct 31, 2019 Michigan
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    Understandable. So at this point I’m getting to understand that it’s hard to come by a fresh German import and that is discouraging me a bit. Like you said, I’ll buy fresh American renditions of German styles before I’ll buy something knowing it’s out of date or questioning if it’s still good.
     
  16. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    FWIW that is what I do.

    I am fortunate that in my area (Philly area) there are many local breweries producing high quality German style beers. I often can buy them with less than a month from packaging.

    Cheers!
     
  17. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    But, when you find something fresh -- like an Ayinger Bavarian Pils or a Weihenstephaner Helles, the experience will be enlightening.

    There have been miles of debate over American-brewed German-style beers compared with products from the source, and some Ami breweries manage good renditions, but so many don't.

    A well-brewed German-style is sublime, elegant, and satisfyingly delicious all at once. So unless you can get to Bavaria soon, it's worth the work to understand the dating to find fresh beer -- *if* you're serious about getting into the genre.

    All that said, there are quite a few German imports that print a very clear best by date. It's up to your interpretation of fresh, of course. But Spaten, Paulaner, and Hacker Pschorr beers are clearly dated and quite good "starter" beers to sample.
     
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  18. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    That’s the thing about best by dates, it’s random, you know the end date but you don’t know when it was canned or bottles. Is it 6 months which I highly doubt, 9 months old like PU, 12 months quite likely, 15 months like Jever? Brewers discretion. It’s still a game of finding out how old I am, am I warm on the shelf or in a cooler? Unlikely here in a cooler, or am I also warm on the top shelf like for say Jever here sucking up UV light 24/7/365? Most here are over 15 months as well, I’m not completely lazy, but seriously I’ve never come across imported beers at 4 months, I don’t bother any more except for Weihenstephaner Hefeweizen, at 6 months old it’s stellar.
     
  19. jonphisher

    jonphisher Grand Pooh-Bah (3,850) Aug 9, 2015 New Jersey
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    Just because a beer is fresh is does not make it better. Which I feel like is all too often stated on here when the topic of imports comes up. I’ve had expired (past best by) be the winners in blind tastings. I’ve also had 8 month old beer standout above my favorite fresh local examples.

    So yes fresh is important but it is not the end all be all, far from it in my opinion. I don’t want to change topics of this thread I just wanted to state this to keep in mind as you buy imported beers.
     
  20. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    As I mentioned, this is all very redundant debate and you have to decide just how much you want to get into something.

    I have no trouble making judgments on BB dates or brands based on experience, but German styles have been my favorites for a long time, so it's not work for me (though sometimes frustrating).

    If the niche doesn't grab you, you're free to move on -- but I'm not going to discourage someone from discovering something very good just because it may take a little study -- spoken as someone who got into this enthusiasm well before the advent of the internet.
     
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