Brewing Activities (2021)

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  1. wasatchback

    wasatchback Pooh-Bah (1,574) Jan 12, 2014 Tajikistan
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    How would it oxidize? You’re adding hops during fermentation. There’s almost no reason to even bubble Co2 through the racking arm. In fact you run the risk of introducing o2 directly into the beer if you don’t purge the lines and the connections well enough. Adding hops during fermentation can cause a lot of Co2 breakout and is sure to push what little O2 you introduced by opening the fermenter right back out through whatever you’re using for an airlock. On fermenters where I can’t push Co2 into the headspace when adding dry hops I just make sure to purge headspace afterwards sufficiently and I rarely experience any loss in hop character at all, which would be the first signs of oxidation. And 95% of the time it’s after fermentation at temps around 55-58 to try to prevent hop creep.
     
  2. Merlyn

    Merlyn Aspirant (261) Jan 17, 2021 Michigan

    how do you purge the headspace after dry hopping?

    I'm just doing what my friend who also brews does. I've oxidized two NEIPAs in a row now and I'm determined not to screw this up.
     
  3. invertalon

    invertalon Pooh-Bah (2,249) Jan 27, 2009 Ohio
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    Tapped the new German Pils! 5.3% and 30 IBU.

    Decocted Pils hopped with Perle, Mittelfruh, Tradition and Czech Saaz. Fermented with Bavarian Lager WLP2206.


    [​IMG]
     
  4. The_Modern_Brewhouse

    The_Modern_Brewhouse Initiate (195) Sep 25, 2020 Minnesota


    Looks mighty pale! Where did you pull your decoction(s)?
     
  5. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Kegged a west coast ipa and a bourbon Oaked Dubbel.

    Brewing up a blonde with minute rice, 2 row. Hopping with cascade at 60 and flameout.
     
  6. drewmuni

    drewmuni Initiate (0) Oct 18, 2019 California
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    About to keg a WCIPA, 2/3 Strata - 1/3 Azzaca - 1/3 Chinook. All strata in the boil. 100% Two Row. Shooting for around 6.7/7% abv. First samples seem hopeful!

    Looking to switch over to a traditional cooler mash system. Not fully satisfied with my Anvil Foundry system. Low efficiency, and boil is just too weak. Can anybody point me in the direction of a good resource on batch sparging? I'm doing 2.75 and 3 gallon batches (the later if I have a big dry hop) for reference. I'm typically using somewhere around 4.5 gallons of total water on my Anvil system but looks like ill need somewhere in the 5 to 5.5 neighborhood for batch sparging.

    Cheers!
     
  7. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Don’t.
     
  8. wasatchback

    wasatchback Pooh-Bah (1,574) Jan 12, 2014 Tajikistan
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    I don’t know much about the foundry? Can you recirc during the mash? Step mash? I used a Grainfather for 300+ batches and figured out how to get my mash efficiency over 80% for anything under 7%. it took some tweaking but the systems seam similar I’m sure you can get your efficiency up with some easy mods to equipment or process.

    You don’t need a strong boil. One of the biggest misconceptions out there. A very low boil is often much better for the wort. If you do want a stronger boil put the lid somewhat on. I know I know...DMS.. as long as the lid is cracked and some steam can escape you’re fine. It will instantly increase your boil intensity. I actually use a Ss Brewtech Chronical lid with the 3” TC opening on my Grainfather now and I have to worry about DMS way more than you probably do as I boil at 201 so the half life of the DMS precursor is twice as long as if I was at sea level and boiled at 212.
     
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  9. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    The total water you'll need is:
    Batch Size (into the fermenter) +
    Grain Absorption +
    Mash Tun Unrecoverable Dead Space +
    Hop Absorption +
    Boil Off +
    Kettle Unrecoverable Dead Space (if any)

    Pre-Boil Kettle Volume =
    Batch Size (into the fermenter) +
    Hop Absorption +
    Boil Off+
    Kettle Unrecoverable Dead Space (if any)

    The most efficient single batch sparge will be where your first runoff and your sparge runoff are equal volumes. To get that...

    Strike Water = (Pre-Boil Kettle Volume / 2) + Grain Absorption + Mash Tun Unrecoverable Dead Space
    Sparge Water = (Pre-Boil Kettle Volume / 2 )
     
  10. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    My original source: http://dennybrew.com/ (although I must have found it prior to the 2008 revision). I batch sparged from 2006~2016, before switching to an electric BIAB system. My efficiency is about the same, on average, ~72% based on total wort volume at the the end of the boil, but I have think I get more consistency with my electric system. That may have more to do with my modifications to the BIAB method (bag squeezing) and changing batch size.

    I did 5 gallon batches in the batch sparge system and my electric system is designed for 5 gallons. But I am doing 3 gallon batches on it. I am getting a decent boil, because my volume is lower. And I squeeze the bag in the BIAB, so am recovering a small but significant amount of wort that contributes to my efficiency. And I can recover this wort consistently. If I do 5 gallons in the electric system, my efficiency and boil drops -- a 5 gallon batch has more grain, so I am less effective at recovering liquid than with 3 gallons, and the boil takes longer. With a 3 gallon batch, my brew day is shorter than with a 5 gallon batch, on either system.

    In many ways I miss the cooler system. There is a lot nostalgia in that sentiment. It also was easier for me to clean in my kitchen sink, but that's a personal circumstance, not a universal one. What I do not miss is stuck sparges. This does not happen with BIAB, but did happen infrequently with my cooler. And it could be extremely frustrating. In fact, the reason I switch to BIAB was because I had a stuck sparge, and the solution was to scoop the mash manually and repeatedly into a paint strainer nylon bag to facilitate drainage. Light bulb moment.
     
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  11. drewmuni

    drewmuni Initiate (0) Oct 18, 2019 California
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    Thanks for all the info folks. I need to find out my boil off from my old BIAB system (nylon bag with a SS kettle), I think I was probably close to 1G per hour. Ill also have to find out the dead space in the new mash tun, which couldn't you just get that after you've fully sparged? Empty out grains and collect the remaining under the false bottom?

    Anyway, one more question. What do folks typically do for water chemistry for batch sparging? On my current Anvil ill throw in all my salts and acid into the water and the mash in which is what I'm thinking about doing for the batch sparge. For example should I

    1. Have a full 5ish gallons warming up, throw in all salts and acid and then put in half or so of the water for the mash and the other for the sparge?

    Or 2. Heat up water two different times and put in 50% of salt editions in each?
     
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  12. wasatchback

    wasatchback Pooh-Bah (1,574) Jan 12, 2014 Tajikistan
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    Started a kettle sour today that’ll get Guava, Peach, Tangerine puree. Just pitched the Lallemand Sour Pitch and set to 92. Hopefully nice and tart by the morning. Going for a little higher pH than I have been in the past... just to see.

    Just started a boil on my bigger system that’ll be a hoppy 5% beer.

    Rahr 2 Row
    15% Pils
    8% Carafoam
    2% Honey Malt
    2% Acid

    Simcoe @ 90
    Nectaron @ 30
    Citra @ 5
    WP Idaho 7/Nectaron

    DH Citra, Nectaron, HBC586

    ECY Old Newark Ale
     
  13. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

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    Celebrated big brew day in a big way brewing up 55 gallons of janets brown ale.
     
  14. Jasonja1474

    Jasonja1474 Savant (1,100) Oct 15, 2018 Tennessee
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    I wanted to brew on big brew day but didn’t have time. I did get my Red X grains in so a red ipa is up next. Kegged my NEIPA yesterday. May pour a glass in a couple days.[​IMG] Came in a 8.4% super tropical nose.
     
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  15. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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    In case you’re interested (and maybe you're already aware), the March/April 2021 BYO magazine has a clone recipe for Stone’s Pataskala Red X IPA using 100% BesMalz Red X.
    Recipe/article linked below, not sure if it's behind a paywall.
    https://byo.com/recipe/stone-brewing-co-s-pataskala-red-x-ipa-clone/
     
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  16. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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  17. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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    That’s killer, man. How’d you get that kettle with a ¼ ton of wort from the burner to the pile o' pallets?
     
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  18. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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    Thanks for pointing that out. After deciding to log out of BYO and check (which I could/should have done previously), I see there's a 14-day free trial.
     
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  19. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Since conversion should be complete, the main reason to adjust sparge water is to maintain pH as you are diluting the wort in the grain bed. If the pH were to rise, there would be a risk of extracting tannins and creating astringency. This is more important in a fly sparge than a batch sparge, because batch sparge is not a continuous dilution. Unless your sparge water is naturally alkaline or you add alkaline salts (don’t do this!) your sparge water shouldn’t need any treatment. If your salt additions were designed both for mash control and flavor, maybe you want to maintain your gypsum and CaCl additions per unit volume so as not to dilute the anticipated flavor impact.
     
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  20. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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    The volumes of strike & sparge water for batch sparging can be calculated if the mash tun dead space is known in advance. It’s simple to determine and there are at least a couple ways:
    • Add a known volume of water to the empty mash tun, above the drain valve. With the tun on a level surface, drain the water through the valve and into a container until it naturally stops (without tipping the tun). Measure the volume of water that was collected to the container and subtract that amount from the original known volume; that’s the mash tun dead space volume.
    • Add water to the empty mash tun just above the drain valve. Drain the water until it naturally stops (without tipping). Measure the amount of water remaining in the mash tun; that’s the dead space. No need to save the drained water to a container unless you intend to use it.
    Personally, I’d determine and correct the contributors to low efficiency in the existing system before revamping my process, unless the new equipment is already on hand...but that's just me. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. If it is broke, fix it. If it can’t be fixed, replace it.
     
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