Introduction to German Beer

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by BigIronH, Apr 24, 2021.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Domingo

    Domingo Grand Pooh-Bah (4,252) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
    Pooh-Bah

    Hofbrau's hefeweizen is one of my favorites, but I find that the bottled version isn't as ester-heavy as the draft one. Even just looking at the bottles I've purchased, I don't see the same huge layer of yeast that Weihenstephaner, Paulaner, and H-P bottles have. Kind of a shame. In Munich it's probably my #1 weiss that's actually brewed in town. I lean toward the ones with lots of fruity notes vs. the ones that are earthier and more spicy. The Andechs weiss is the only one of the spicier ones that I really love. Ayinger's bottled weiss is similar (at least IMO), although on tap I find it to be a different animal. I don't really even like the bottled one, but on tap I think it's fantastic.
     
  2. BigIronH

    BigIronH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,762) Oct 31, 2019 Michigan
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    L150T
     
  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
    Society Pooh-Bah

    I had to pull out my Little Orphan Annie Decoder* to determine that your beer was bottled May 29, 2020 (well over a year old). Needless to say this is beyond my personal cut-off of 6 months so...

    Permit me to state the obvious: old (1+ year old) beer will not taste like it should.

    Cheers!

    * Jess Kidden about the decoder. You can learn more here: https://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/hofbrau-date-codes.569169/

    P.S. I applaud your desires/efforts to try German beers but you really would be best served to confine purchases to non-old beers.
     
  4. BigIronH

    BigIronH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,762) Oct 31, 2019 Michigan
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Yeah I figure you’re right. I’ve had enough really old stuff at this point to steer me towards trying more styles I appreciate by local breweries which of course is netting me a lot more fresh stuff. I need to learn the codes better to feel more comfortable buying imports because I’ve been misled at least slightly by multiple retailers at this point. Whether it was intentional or not I cannot say but I doubt it because they are reputable and popular in the area but it just shows you shouldn’t expect anyone to know more about the beer you’re buying than you do, or are willing to learn and research. Cheers

    edit: I looked at the thread. That’s easier than I thought. I appreciate the insight.
     
  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
    Society Pooh-Bah

    The ancient Romans had an expression for this: caveat emptor.

    As this saying is defined: "the principle that the buyer alone is responsible for checking the quality and suitability of goods before a purchase is made."

    Cheers!
     
    BigIronH likes this.
  6. Domingo

    Domingo Grand Pooh-Bah (4,252) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
    Pooh-Bah

    The age of typical German imports is why I find myself not buying them much. I appreciate the easy dating of Paulaner and H-P bottles, but over the last couple years I've noticed those dates getting older and older. The importer used to be in Littleton, so in Denver we'd have those dated 1-2 months ago. Now they're more like 7-8 months ago, even at the "good" stores. That's fine for Salvator, but it's less than ideal for everything else. Andechs bottles tend to be relatively fresh, obviously dated, and conveniently filled with magic. Those are among the only imports I buy super regularly as a result.
     
  7. BigIronH

    BigIronH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,762) Oct 31, 2019 Michigan
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Yeah I’m not sure if it’s my area and the individual distributors or what but it’s really hard to get anything less that 7 months around me. A lot of it has been a year plus.
     
    Bitterbill likes this.
  8. Domingo

    Domingo Grand Pooh-Bah (4,252) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
    Pooh-Bah

    I think some of it is geographic. I recall seeing a much wider selection and fresher German/Austrian/Czech bottles in Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Virginia vs. anything on the west coast and mountain areas. No clue about MI, but it's an American craft-centric state. I think they simply sell better in certain areas and get more attention as a result. It's pretty rare to see anything more than a year old in better CO stores anymore, though. There was a time when the largest liquor store in the country had Paulaner singles that were 4 years old in their cooler. Back when Paulaner USA was less than 10 miles away no less. These days, 6-12 months seems typical. Outside of bocks and Tannenzaepfle (which holds up scarily well), I consider 8 months to be my personal cutoff.
     
  9. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
    Society Pooh-Bah

    Your area sounds a lot like my area. Lots of old German beers collecting dust at my local beer retailers. But there are a handful of brands that aren't too old (but not the brands I prefer to buy most of the time).

    I have been on the lookout for Jever which is less than six-months old for a very long time. I think it has been over two years since I have bought any Jever. :slight_frown:

    Thankfully there are plenty of high quality locally brewed German Pilsners available for me. Last week I purchased a six-pack of Sterling Pig Shoats Pilsner which was canned on 6/22/21. Woo-Hoo! :slight_smile:

    Cheers!
     
    BigIronH likes this.
  10. BigIronH

    BigIronH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,762) Oct 31, 2019 Michigan
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    I was going to edit and add something similar. Plenty of great locally brewed German and American styles around me. More than what I could even get through, so it’s not like I really have anything to complain about.
     
  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
    Society Pooh-Bah

    Life is good! :slight_smile:

    [​IMG]
     
    Domingo and BigIronH like this.
  12. Domingo

    Domingo Grand Pooh-Bah (4,252) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
    Pooh-Bah

    The # of American breweries making authentic/good German beer has been a much appreciated trend over the last few years. We went from having maybe a dozen nationwide to at least one in most major regions. For a long time, even drinking a mid-level Munich beer in a grungy U-Bahn station was a transcendental experience. More and more I find places that can replicate those flavors stateside. You can't replicate the experience of visiting Germany, but there are quite a few US breweries that can get you halfway there.
     
  13. BigIronH

    BigIronH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,762) Oct 31, 2019 Michigan
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    I’ve never been myself and of course would love to go eventually. But, I agree there are tons of U.S. brewers that produce really good German styled beers.
     
    Bitterbill likes this.
  14. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
    Society Pooh-Bah

    Having been myself, I'd have to argue "tons." But it is getting better.
     
    Bitterbill and BigIronH like this.
  15. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
    Society Pooh-Bah

    Few would understand this, but you just made me so "homesick" for my favorite continental European city.
     
  16. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
    Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    Yeah, but ever try picking just one of them up? Even some of the clean-shaven ones can be quite ... umm...let's say "corpulent". :grin:
    "He ain't heavy, he's my brewer..."
     
  17. BigIronH

    BigIronH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,762) Oct 31, 2019 Michigan
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Like I said I haven’t been so I have no perspective I just know I have enjoyed a good deal of what I’ve had. Whether someone like yourself with more experience would agree or not I couldn’t say. “Good” and true to style could be two different things. I might enjoy a beer that is supposedly German styled whereas someone who knows more about the style might say it is not true to style. I haven’t been involved long enough to have that perspective.
     
  18. BigIronH

    BigIronH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,762) Oct 31, 2019 Michigan
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    You must be kidden.
     
    Bitterbill, PapaGoose03 and steveh like this.
  19. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
    Society Pooh-Bah

    Quite true, and I keep that in mind with my reviews and opinions.

    But having the beer from its original source leaves a bigger impression and sets the bar of expectation -- as well as a keener definition of "to-style."
     
    Bitterbill, AlcahueteJ and BigIronH like this.
  20. BigIronH

    BigIronH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,762) Oct 31, 2019 Michigan
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    I have no doubts in that my friend. I definitely would love to go there in the future. I’m probably a few years off from that though. Cheers.
     
    Bitterbill and steveh like this.
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.