Counterfeit Cantillon John Chris Nomad

1) Fraud is a very easy way to make money and incredibly common compared to what most people may think
2) This would be a very easy form of fraud so your analogy doesnt work. All this would take is someone with a 750ml Classic Gueze and a printer and some balls.

 

Piiiiiiictures please

 

Dude, post a freakin picture of the bottle with the fake label. The whole point of this thread is that such a label exist, and like 10,000 people are following it, so some evidence would be helpful.

 

Yes and some people are shitting themselves since they bought a shitload of these bottles for trading...

 

If you want my advice, use this: http://imgur.com/

You can make an account, or you can not. But uploading is very easy, they go at full resolution, and the links work forever. I love imgur.

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-CANTIL...747?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ab7b11543

at least this guy is reading this topic. Look how many detailed pictures he added from the back label....

 

Not quite as offensive a crime, but BMC counterfeits its own beers all the time...I once drank a Coors Lite and was 99% sure it was a Keystone. For real, though, my phone battery is nearly dead from following this thread all day

 

It looks like those labels have rounded corners.

 

That's awesome, he's adding the exact pictures the OP says would be most noticeable. It's funny, because all that means is that he has a real bottle, not necessarily that he'll send it to you.

Either way, hi hop-one!

 

Yep, it appears they do. LEGIT?!

Oh, now this... has me thinking.

 

OK, went back down to the cellar, so people know further what a real bottle looks like.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/artismyheroin/sets/72157630102419382/

I added the last 2 pictures showing the corners of the aforementioned rounded edges. Upon inspection it looked like the back labels edges are rounded as well, although much less.

I would really like to see pics of the fake bottles though fyi, my camera is a little lumix thats 6 yrs old and fits in my pocket, so I suspect an iphone can take equal quality pics.

cheers



ps I have no carpet in my house, all wood floors, and my cellar is concrete

 

With about a year or two of aging, I think I could make a Midnight Sun M clone that could fool most people based on the ingredient list and tasting notes from the internet. How many people that have already tasted M are buying them from eBay? My guess is very few. And people that had it might not be able to recognize the difference because unlike Cantillon CG, it's not a beer you'll have often and in enough quality to really pick out the nuances of the flavor. Using the info in this link:

http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f12/midnight-sun-m-recipe-clone-anyone-182218/

I think I could get pretty close, close enough to be convincing.

As for other clones, I think Cantillon might be tough just because it has a very distinctive house character from the wild yeast, but some homebrewers make very good lambic and if you cultured bottle dregs from Cantillon, you could make a base beer that is very close. Add some blueberries and voila! Or just take Cantillon Gueuze and pour that into a fermenter and add blueberries. You can turn a 7 Euro bottle into a 270 Euro bottle...

 

HALP! WHICH ONE'S THE REAL ONE???!!!

 

I am posting this on behalf of JealousChalice here are the pictures he took of the two bottles


photo by briggscm, on Flickr The real one is on top and you can see how clean the write of Nomad is where the fake one is is faded and not full solid lines


photo-1 by briggscm, on Flickr This is the real one


photo-2 by briggscm, on Flickr Fake one


photo-3 by briggscm, on Flickr Real one is on top pay attention to the writing of Chocolotier and how red the fake label is


photo-4 by briggscm, on Flickr Real one


photo-5 by briggscm, on Flickr Fake one


photo-6 by briggscm, on Flickr Again real one on top


photo-7 by briggscm, on Flickr real one on the left


photo-8 by briggscm, on Flickr The real one is on the left again notice the solid lines on the real bottle


photo-9 by briggscm, on Flickr The real one


photo-10 by briggscm, on Flickr Fake one

Hope this helps guys

 

can you please define the degrees of the "rounded edges" please

 

I can't see shit.

 

Try an optometrist. I don't think BA has as many eye experts.

 

It's easier to see at full size, although still not perfectly clear to the un-trained eye. Especially look at the lower-right part of the middle line of the "N". See how the one on the right is a little bit fuzzy? That's because the one on the left was almost certainly printed from the source graphic file (a vector), whereas the one on the right was almost certainly a scan of the original that they then tried to cut out.

You can also see a thin black border around "Jean Chris" on the phony bottle, which is probably the product of sloppy Photoshopping.

The red is obviously off also. They probably scanned the label and took a color-sample of one pixel in photoshop, read the hex code and applied it to their fake label.

It looks like someone tried to isolate the various parts of the graphic individually and then reassemble them, rather than just scan the entire label. And the didn't even do it very well.