Candid Dialogue About Moderation

Talk Discussion in 'BeerAdvocate Talk' started by joromiller, Oct 12, 2014.

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  1. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    See here for how Alerts work: http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/forum-alerts.220876/. It might not seem ideal at first, but it works as designed and saves you from getting an insane amount of Alerts.

    Sending an Alert is also at the discretion of the mod, but I believe most are using the feature as much as possible.
     
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  2. markdrinksbeer

    markdrinksbeer Initiate (0) Nov 14, 2013 Massachusetts

    There were two humurous posts this past April 1 that were deleted,and the reason was unclear to me as why (it might have been told to me, but I don't keep too many conversations). That being said, I wouldn't consider it "off topic", as it was about brewers coming up with funny beers. The threads were deleted without comment. One could say that yes, you ban humor.
     
  3. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    Playing the literal game typically goes nowhere. Within the context of my reply, I'm addressing someone's concerns that we specifically look to ban humor. We don't. And there's no proof of this. And this past April the notification on moderation feature didn't exist, but I'd have to guess that it was a couple of April Fools' posts that got carried away.
     
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  4. markdrinksbeer

    markdrinksbeer Initiate (0) Nov 14, 2013 Massachusetts

    You want a candid dialogue about moderation Todd, and you are getting one. Literal or figurative, I posted my comments. I appreciate hearing yours too.
    As for the posts in question for april fools, they didn't get out of hand at all. One was deleted just minutes after it was posted.

    So it would seem to me that humor is banned, but at the discretion of the mods/owners.
    Again, I ask for just dialogue, not accusations. This thread seems like a great learning experience for everyone who reads it. Therefore, I ask if you can explain to me why such april fools posts were deleted? If your personal feelings toward me get in the way of that, I don't mind hearing from another moderator's thoughts on this.
     
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  5. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    If we banned humor, it wouldn't be allowed at all. But it is. So we can move on from that accusation as there's zero proof that we outright ban humor. We moderate threads of all forms of content based on our TOS and what's best for the overall community.

    As for those April Fools' posts ... I just explained it to you. Several "joke" posts went too far, so they were pulled. We're talking around 7+ months ago, but it'd be safe to assume that the two you're referring to were involved. Humor is also subjective, and we don't remove entire threads without reason.

    And I don't know you, so I don't have any personal feelings towards you other than a general appreciation that you use the site.
     
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  6. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    You're overthinking all of this and need to remember that just because a thread persists doesn't mean it's been okayed by mods over yours. It simply means that no one has reported it yet.
     
  7. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    If you're suggesting that you're being targeted, you're not; at least not by mods.

    Anyway, you're thread was too vague. You said that you have a "reasonably deep cellar to get this done with," but offered no specifics. This doesn't cut it for some, so it got reported for being an open-ended offer (aka - an auction).
     
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  8. Yohann

    Yohann Zealot (744) Apr 29, 2014 Wisconsin
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    It could just be a shift in perception: you may have had many more than one comment deleted in a year-and-a-half, but weren't aware of it (because who goes back and reads their own past comments?). Now with the new moderation features we're alerted when (and hopefully why) comments are deleted, so more recently you definitely knew each time it happened.
     
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  9. blue-dream

    blue-dream Initiate (0) Aug 22, 2013 Virgin Islands (U.S.)

    if its reported a mod will look at it and decide, the ISO you are speaking of just listed styles of beers you were looking for, not 1 type of style, but several, that does not cut it, it is an auction. You can say hey looking for sours, stouts, IPAs. but you are not listing the beers you are realy looking for that is an auction. No one is targeting you we dont have time to do that. Be more specific in your ISO/FT and it wont happen.
     
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  10. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    All examples are open-ended; though the first is trying to be specific. No one is arguing this, I already explained why yours might get removed over others, and it sounds like you might be consistently vague with your posts which would explain your level of perceived moderation.
     
  11. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    You really need to take a step back. Read AND understand what people are saying, because we're only trying to help.

    And I already explained why (no one reported them).
     
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  12. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    I agree with your pause. :wink:

    Anyway. We're not reinstating the post or revisiting the rules. There's no need to. And I'd like to get this thread back on track vs. making it about nitpicking specific moderation items that are covered under the rules already.

    Bottom-line: Be specific. And if you see others posting blatant open-ended offers ... use the report feature.

    Thanks,
     
  13. F2brewers

    F2brewers Maven (1,432) Mar 12, 2005 Massachusetts
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    while we're on the topic of being clear and specific, i wasn't involved with this incident at all. :slight_smile:

    it was another mod who deleted your post and another mod whose post you appear to refer to in the portion of your post which i just quoted. :wink:

    @BlueDream i guess eddie and gremlins look too much alike. :grimacing:
     
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  14. blue-dream

    blue-dream Initiate (0) Aug 22, 2013 Virgin Islands (U.S.)

    I was going to point that out, but i figured you would jump in. :rolling_eyes:
     
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  15. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    I can assure you, there is not a single poster, atleast that I'm aware of, that ANYONE targets to delete/change/edit/alter/ban/timeout/warn/etc, by the moderation team.

    So I'm pretty sure it's just you @mattvandyk that is being more sensitive about it. Based on your posting, it appears you just trade beer here and thats about it mostly.

    If it's reported, someone had beef with it, and it's looked at. So sure, some examples will leak through, because people didn't think anything was wrong with it.
     
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  16. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    It matters little to me, what you want to believe. I'm telling you from the other side, that there is NO proof, NO thread, and NO talk about targeting you, or ANYONE who has posted in this thread. You are not that big of a deal, no matter how much you seem to think.. You can wear your foil hat, and scream foul, but it's just you thinking this.

    There is absolutely no interest in doing so. There's enough reports that go on daily, and being volunteers, I'm pretty sure I can speak for most of the moderators, that we have no desire to delete or alter random peoples post for no reason. Follow the rules, and the TOS, and majority of the folks have no issues here.
     
  17. markdrinksbeer

    markdrinksbeer Initiate (0) Nov 14, 2013 Massachusetts

    I think the problem some people have is when they do follow "tos" and still find their posts deleted.
     
  18. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Care to share an example?

    I'm genuinely curious there. As it's been said before, I'm sure.. You would be surprised at how much shit is rejected in reports. There are several people who are serial reporters on this site. It's appreciated, but the excessive stuff is completely let go and rejected and left to be as it was intended.


    Majority of the time when someone has a post deleted, and they did nothing wrong, it's when they quote someone who's being a troll or a jerk in the thread, or added nothing to the conversation and got snipped.

    I'm not going to alter your post, change this or that, or remove portions of it to make it work, for the sake of keeping it. Responses to threads/posts that get deleted, all go in the trash.

    I'm not picking the dirt off the cookie when my kids drop it. It's all going into the trash. Same idea. Not worth the time, and effort to disect a thread, and mold it to be acceptable.
     
  19. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    See post #144
     
  20. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    You did ask that moderation be an all or nothing approach. So now it's not what you see fit?
     
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