Did I ruin my coffee porter?

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  1. AthensBrewer

    AthensBrewer Initiate (0) Mar 26, 2011 Georgia

    I brewed an all extract recipe for a coffee porter. I added maybe a 1/4 cup of ground espresso to the boil thinking it would enhance the flavor. I love coffee and I have made sauces with ground beans before so I figured why not. I bottled it Dec. 20th and cracked one open on Jan 3rd. The aroma was excellent and the first couple of sips were good, but by the end of the first pour it seemed a little more bitter than I expected. It was definitely too bitter for my wife who was excited for this one. Will the bitterness subside with more age like my stout did or will I be the only one drinking these cases of bombers?
     
  2. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Well it's not ruined if you are willing to drink it. :wink:

    I don't know if the bitterness will subside because I've never tried to brew a coffee flavor into a beer. However, I think if you search this forum you'll find a few threads on this topic, and I think the generally accepted way to do it is to add brewed coffee into the bottling bucket. I'm certain that someone else will come along and add to this thread, and may have an answer about the bitterness too.
     
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  3. AthensBrewer

    AthensBrewer Initiate (0) Mar 26, 2011 Georgia

    Thanks. I did find some other threads on this and my fears seem justified. Oh well, live and learn.
     
  4. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Flavors do mellow over time, so there may be hope. :slight_smile:
     
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  5. tkdchampxi

    tkdchampxi Pooh-Bah (2,473) Oct 19, 2010 New Jersey
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    There are a lot of variables going on here. Did you ruin your beer? That depends on your definition of ruined (and your definition of bitter and your definition of how much coffee flavor you want).

    The coffee flavor will subside somewhat over time, and probably the bitterness, too. How much? Who knows.

    Personally, I think sounds pretty good to me.
     
  6. AthensBrewer

    AthensBrewer Initiate (0) Mar 26, 2011 Georgia

    Hey, I didn't say I wouldn't drink it....It's really not bad, but just not what I was expecting. If I brew another I'll definitely use a brewed coffee designed for ice coffee. That seems like the way to go. Either way I'm sitting on 20 bombers of coffee porter that will not go to waste.
     
  7. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    Personally I would not add coffee to the boil as this will draw out much more bitter and acrid flavors. Rarely do you make a good cup of coffee by boiling the grounds, usually you are adding the grounds to water just after the boil (or after cooling slightly is better). I have had really good success with adding the beans whole to the fermented beer for a cold extraction, then getting the beans out of the beer. In my case I did this in a keg. If bottling you can add the beans to the fermentor after it is done and then rack to a bottling bucket once the coffee flavor is where you want it, then commence bottling.
     
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  8. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    Only thing you can really do is wait and find out. FWIW, I have made exactly one coffee stout*, and it came out good. I sanitized a flask, added 1.5 L boiled/cooled water, and cold-steeped 6oz non-flavored mixed roasts (2 oz each regular, FR, and espresso). Then I added this to the brew at bottling (theoretically "to taste"). The beers didn't have the "old coffee" taste of truckstop coffee, which is what I am picturing your issue as being. I think the cold-steeping winds up being the better way for beer (vs. brewed coffee, i.e. hot) but I base this mostly on reading threads, not any solid facts known to me.

    *recall what happens when n=1 :rolling_eyes:
     
  9. AthensBrewer

    AthensBrewer Initiate (0) Mar 26, 2011 Georgia

    The flavor is more like "how many scoops did you use to brew that pot?", but the aroma is great.
     
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  10. atomeyes

    atomeyes Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Canada (ON)

    just a point of reference.
    most people tend to cold brew espresso and add that to secondary.
    that minimizes/eliminated bitterness.

    you did the opposite by adding to boil.
     
  11. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    I wouldn't be against adding a touch of honey to the side of the glass, or possibly some milk in the bottom of the glass. Most people seem to frown on me for saying that the beer's not finished when you put it in the bottle. Feel free to experiment around a little.

    In cooking, a general rule of thumb is that sweet balances bitter.
     
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  12. machalel

    machalel Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2012 Australia

    Whilst not exactly the same, I used espresso shots in my milk chocolate coffee porter, and the bitterness has definitely tapered off after 6 months in the bottle. Unfortunately, so has the coffee flavour / aroma.
     
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  13. Scumbag81

    Scumbag81 Initiate (0) Sep 10, 2014 California
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    Its kind of impossible to cold brew espresso.
     
  14. Lukass

    Lukass Pooh-Bah (2,891) Dec 16, 2012 Ohio
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    I cold brewed and added to bottling bucket for a imp stout this past weekend. I tried some cuz I had about half a bottle left, so I just poured it into a glass. It tasted like pure coffee, but I've done coffee stouts before with the same results – strong, bitter coffee flavor in the beginning, but over time the coffee flavor will fade and the flavors should meld together nicely.

    I would just give it time
     
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    atomeyes Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Canada (ON)

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    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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  18. atomeyes

    atomeyes Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Canada (ON)

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    atomeyes Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Canada (ON)

    a number of local breweries do that for their cask beer. they toss the whole espresso beans into a cask and then seal.
    you're basically making a tincture of sorts
     
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