New England IPA

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by palma, Apr 29, 2015.

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  1. palma

    palma Savant (1,144) Dec 14, 2003 New York

    Do you think the brewers association is going to add a new style for these new age IPAs? I think the time has come to give these beers which come almost exclusively from new england their own spot. These cloudy, highly perishable IPAs with that soft mouthfeel and tropical fruit flavor deserve their own style IMO. thoughts?
     
  2. otispdriftwood

    otispdriftwood Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Colorado

    You want yet another style? Uh-uh.
     
  3. sefus12

    sefus12 Pundit (938) Sep 7, 2006 Wisconsin
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    Because no other place in the country makes perishable IPAs w/tropical fruit flavors?
     
  4. palma

    palma Savant (1,144) Dec 14, 2003 New York

    yes
     
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  5. PSU_Mike

    PSU_Mike Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2013 Pennsylvania

    New England Style IPA
    Old School East Coast IPA
    West Coast IPA
    Midwestern IPA

    Where does it end? Keep it simple. EIPA, AIPA, DIPA and be done with it.
     
  6. palma

    palma Savant (1,144) Dec 14, 2003 New York

    uhh who said that?
     
  7. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    No, because the IPAs you speak of are not unique to New England and one could argue that the New England IPA has been around for decades and has nothing to do with this current IPA fad.
     
  8. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    I associate Ringwood IPAs with New England, so there would be some confusion.
     
  9. palma

    palma Savant (1,144) Dec 14, 2003 New York

    good early point, though I would not call this a fad anymore. Its more than that now.
     
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  10. otispdriftwood

    otispdriftwood Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Colorado


    And you're getting plenty of encouragement I see.
     
  11. bleakies

    bleakies Maven (1,355) Apr 11, 2011 Massachusetts

    Can you show that this would-be style variation is specific to New England rather than a development occurring in various parts of the country?
     
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  12. palma

    palma Savant (1,144) Dec 14, 2003 New York

    My point is that it's predominantly occuring in new england, and I doubt anyone would deny that. I never said it is only occuring in NE.
     
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  13. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    It's very much still in the fad stage, as it hasn't caught on / become an acceptable norm yet. That'll need to happen before any credible source considers it to be a style. And here's to hoping that never happens.
     
  14. GreesyFizeek

    GreesyFizeek Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,026) Mar 6, 2013 New York
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    Do you hope it doesn't happen because you don't want another style, or because you don't like this cloudy sort of IPA?
     
  15. WillemHC

    WillemHC Zealot (604) Jun 21, 2013 Utah

    There is absolutely nothing unique about anything New England brewers are doing with hops.
    I make four points:
    1.) Raw materials - All of the hops used in IPAs made in the northeast are from farms thousands of miles away. They are either pacific northwest hops (example: everything in heady) and occasionally NZ hops. So no raw materials used should make the NE beers unique AT ALL.
    2.) Flavor - This has a lot to do with raw materials. In any case there are equally as many, if not more breweries making "perishable" hoppy beers with citrus and fruit hoppy emphasis in the west.
    3.) History - NE didn't do anything first. Breweries across the country have taken advantage of new hop varietals as they have come out.
    4.) What you have access to - If you live in the East you might have to realize that you think more breweries are making these IPAs than they are in the West, but thats because you have no idea whats happening out west. Cellarmaker, SARA, Henhouse, Boneyard, Faction, Alpine, Altamont, El Segundo, Drakes, Knee Deep, Magnolia, Port, Saint Archer, Kern River, and many more are making fruity hop bombs rarely discussed on this site. Especially compared to breweries like Tree House, you just don't hear that these west coast magicians are cooking up amazing fruity hops bombs (also often not fine filtered either).

    So in conclusion, there is no reason that the northeast should have a style IPA because they are doing nothing special with flavor or materials, they didn't do anything first, and they don't have more breweries doing anything unique either.
     
  16. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    Both (and the fad has been leaning towards turbid mud, not hazy/cloudy), plus other reasons stated in this thread.
     
  17. Rosinante

    Rosinante Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2014 Massachusetts

    Tough crowd
     
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  18. palma

    palma Savant (1,144) Dec 14, 2003 New York


    "There is absolutely nothing unique about anything New England brewers are doing with hops." - I almost laughed when I read this, but fine let me comment on your points 1-4. 1 - this doesn’t matter. 2 - so what if there are some other breweries outside of NE making similar tasting beers. 3 - i see your point, but who said NE needs to be the absolute first, and you can never prove that anyway. 4 - this is your only potential valid point, I cant argue this bc I haven’t had most of these breweries you mention. I have had knee deep and uhh this is still west coast style, I don’t care how many ipas they are putting out and yes they are excellent, but none of them are even close to the look taste smell and feel of the IPAs coming out of mass, VT, and maine.
     
  19. DoctorChugButterman

    DoctorChugButterman Initiate (0) Jun 28, 2014 New Hampshire

    We did America first!
     
  20. WillemHC

    WillemHC Zealot (604) Jun 21, 2013 Utah

    What a solid argument. So my other three points aren't valid "just cuz" you say so? How have styles historically emerged? Because they did something new.. If IPA's in the NE aren't using new materials and aren't making new flavors, than how do they warrant their own style category? You should address my points with more than your opinion to be taken seriously. And OK so Knee Deep is slightly less hazy.. Go drink a Cellarmaker alone and I promise (promise!) you that you will no longer feel that the east coast is making something unique.
     
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