Conditioning in Primary without Airlock

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse, Sep 7, 2016.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse

    Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse Zealot (744) Jul 20, 2016 Indiana

    Hi everybody. First post here.

    I brewed what was supposed to be 5 gallons of an IPA last Friday, and ended up with 6-6.5 gallons. I realize I should have had a target gravity and boiled the excess water off, but I didn't realize I had too much work until I cooled it. Of course, that wouldn't all fit in my 6 gallon carboy, especially not with adequate headroom, so I added the excess to two 64 Oz growlers.

    I didn't have airlocks, though, so I just sanitized a piece of plastic wrap and put that over the mouth with a piece of sanitized foil over that. I figured that would keep junk out, but still let CO2 out. Here we are, 5 days later, and fermentation looks complete. Without the positive pressure pushing out of the growler, I'm worried about infection.

    My question is, what should I do now? I know it isn't ideal to bottle after a week, but is it okay to let it sit in its current state? I plan on skipping the dry hopping for these little batches. This is really just an experiment, since the beer would have otherwise gone to waste.
     
  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    I'd be more concerned about letting O2 in than I would be about risk of infection. But unless you know it's done fermenting, I wouldn't bottle yet.
     
  3. Tebuken

    Tebuken Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 Argentina

    While there is positive pressure inside the fermentor there`s no problem to cover it as you describe, the point is as times passes buy this positive pressure will diminish and if the fermentor temperature drops you will have some risk of sucking air back into your vessel , thus oxidation could be an issue. If I were you I woud try to get some stoppers and air-locks because it will be better to wait 1 - 2 weeks more before bottling.
     
  4. Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse

    Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse Zealot (744) Jul 20, 2016 Indiana

    I should specify - I wasn't planning on bottling after only 5 days. I planned on bottling sometime this weekend, which would have given it 7-9 days since pitching.

    You think that I should bother with airlocks, even though it's been fermenting without for 5 days now?
     
  5. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
    Pooh-Bah

    I frequently just place the lid of the bucket on the rim vs. snapping it down. I would not worry a whole bunch about oxygen or bugs and at this point, I would definitely not bother with an airlock.
     
  6. brchapman

    brchapman Initiate (0) Nov 18, 2014 Georgia

    I know it is too late and off topic, but sometimes when I make too much wort, I save it for future yeast starters...
     
  7. AngryDutchman

    AngryDutchman Zealot (693) Aug 8, 2015 Pennsylvania

    Even if it isn't bubbling with vigor there should still be a layer of CO2 for at least a few days.

    Personally, I would bottle one growler's worth now without priming sugar and see how well it carbonates. Wait three or four days and open one, and then open another every few days to see how much and how fast it carbonates.
     
  8. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

  9. AngryDutchman

    AngryDutchman Zealot (693) Aug 8, 2015 Pennsylvania

    Makes you wonder about breweries that use open fermenters, doesn't it?
     
  10. AngryDutchman

    AngryDutchman Zealot (693) Aug 8, 2015 Pennsylvania

  11. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    Not really. I haven't tasted an open fermented beer yet that didn't taste oxidized. Also, people who do them tend to not let them sit open after active fermentation finishes.
     
  12. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    I have no idea how fast O2 is getting into OP's setup. My point was that CO2 doesn't stop it once it's in.

    It sure does. That's why I stopped using airlocks. (But an airlock is better than open.)
     
  13. Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse

    Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse Zealot (744) Jul 20, 2016 Indiana

    We're getting off topic at this point, but I must ask:

    If you don't use airlocks anymore, what do you use? What makes your solution better at keeping oxygen out?
     
  14. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

  15. Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse

    Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse Zealot (744) Jul 20, 2016 Indiana

    Just wanted to check back in with my results here...

    I bottled the beer that fermented in the growlers after two weeks. (I left the main batch for another week after adding dry hops.) I took a gravity, reading, primed, and let it sit to carbonate.

    Fast forward a week, and I bottled the main batch. I took a gravity reading... and it was about 10 points lower than the batch that fermented in the growlers. After two weeks in the bottle at room temperature and a few days in the fridge, this beer was flat and sweet. After two weeks at room temperature and a couple days in the fridge, the main batch is probably the best beer I've brewed to date.

    I'm guessing the yeast died or something, since fermentation appears to have stalled, then carbonation did not occur. I am wondering, though, what could cause that? There were only 3 differences between the two fermentations:
    1. The growlers did not have an airlock. Obviously, the carboy did.
    2. Yeast pitching rate. I dumped approximately 1/4 pack US-05 directly into each 64oz growler, and 1.5 packs directly into the carboy.
    3. Temperature: I kept the carboy in a water bath I tried to maintain ~70°. The growlers sat at room temp. (I set my thermostat at 82° while I'm at work all day, and 75-77° while I am home.)
    I'm going to let it sit for a while longer, as I have nothing to lose, but I don't have high hopes that this will be anything other than drain cleaner. What do you think caused the issue?
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.