Infection in barrel aged beers

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  1. Beersnake

    Beersnake Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,884) Aug 17, 2013 California
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    I have had the unfortunate experience of consuming multiple infected BA stouts over the past year, which is obviously popularized by the Bourbon County disaster. However, I really haven't heard of any beer other than stouts getting infected. Has anyone encountered an infected BA Barleywine? Is this simply not possible? I would appreciate comments and thoughts about why BA stouts appear to be the common victims.
     
  2. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    Bourbon county barleywine was infected last year ...
     
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  3. maximum12

    maximum12 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,686) Jan 21, 2008 Minnesota
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    Anything can be infected. I've had a number of non barrel aged beers over the years that were infected as well. Barrels add an extra level of risk, but there's risk anytime there isn't enough attention paid to sanitation.
     
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  4. raynmoon

    raynmoon Initiate (0) Aug 13, 2011 Colorado

    Most barrel aged stouts are locally distributed. Large brewers go extra lengths to prevent this, however, we experienced tragedy this year.

    What I'm saying is that don't be surprised if local brewers fudge up a barrel aged beer. Because they will. And they'll sell it to you as some "miracle son."
     
  5. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Here's a recent post by @bulletrain76 that plays into the pitfalls of barrel aging going forward:
    See here for thread
     
  6. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    Ya mean like this one?
    https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/29419/209664/
    "Notes / Commercial Description:
    The 1st in our "Accidentally on Purpose" series, Sur Lie is a sour ale aged in Oak on Sevval Blance Lees and then bottle-conditioned."
    May have been a mistake but it is delicious.
     
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  7. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    I can personally attest that it need not be barrel aged to infect. Last year I had an infected milk stout - took 24 hours to get the taste out of my mouth. There may be more opportunity for a barrel aged beer to be infected due to increased handling.
     
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  8. StoutSnob40

    StoutSnob40 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,611) Jan 4, 2013 California
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    Is diacetyl considered an infection or just an off-flavor?
     
  9. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    It an off-flavor because it can be cleaned up. If it doesn't clean up with conditioning time, then you've got a brewer's error, but I wouldn't consider it as an infection.
     
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  10. RogelioRodriguez

    RogelioRodriguez Initiate (0) Nov 7, 2015 California

    Hair of the Dog had some gushers...

    It's possible to have bacterial spoilage in any beer. It wouldn't surprise me if many are "infected" but don't have enough residual sugar to actually produce results of spoilage.

    Sure a barleywine can be infected, same as any beer.

    When a lower gravity stout is past it's prime, it can taste bad and give impressions of bacterial infection. Roasted bitter malts and oxidization, can sometimes taste rancid.
     
  11. Patches826

    Patches826 Pooh-Bah (2,479) Aug 28, 2013 Massachusetts
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    Went a couple years without any infected bottles, but I've had three in the last couple months. Bean Gene and Blue Gene from Revolution and then, just last night, So Happens It's Tuesday from The Bruery. I'm assuming they were all lacto contaminated. Not too happy, especially after learning my bottle of Clown Shoes Archdruid is probably bad too.
     
  12. afrokaze

    afrokaze Pooh-Bah (1,962) Jun 12, 2009 Oregon
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    Diacetyl can be the result of a Pediococcus infection, but it can be cleaned up by Brett over time. It can also be from a clean fermentation that wasn't given enough time to finish, or not enough/unhealthy yeast.
     
  13. vic21234

    vic21234 Pundit (837) Jan 25, 2009 Illinois

    My bottle of Archdruid was bad as well, but the guys from Clown Shoes are great. If you weren't aware, you can send the label into them. About a month after sending it in, I got a box delivered containing two snifters, some coasters, some stickers, a keychain, and an apology letter. It was above and beyond for the $11 I spent on the bottle...
     
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  14. Geuzedad

    Geuzedad Initiate (0) Nov 14, 2010 Arizona

    Here's another Oops moment that turned out not that bad: https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/63/52140/

    Still have a couple of these in the old cellar. Might have to pull one out and see how its aged.
     
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