Averagely Perfect ESB - Poll #16 - Crystal Malt Split

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by VikeMan, Mar 31, 2017.

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What should the split between English Crystal Malt (~55L) and English Dark Crystal (~80L) be?

Poll closed Apr 2, 2017.

  1. 1% 55L, 6% 80L

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  2. 2% 55L, 5% 80L

    1 vote(s)
    2.7%

  3. 3% 55L, 4% 80L

    4 vote(s)
    10.8%

  4. 4% 55L, 3% 80L

    8 vote(s)
    21.6%

  5. 5% 55L, 2% 80L

    23 vote(s)
    62.2%

  6. 6% 55L, 1% 80L

    1 vote(s)
    2.7%
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  1. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    -> Poll #15 <- determined that the total crystal malt in the grain/fermentables bill will be 7%

    This poll will determine the split between English Crystal Malt (~55L) and English Dark Crystal (~80L).

    If you are not a believer in specifying fermentables by percentages (due to non-proportional flavor/color extraction for different grains at various mash efficiencies, or due to the fact that the Invert Sugar will not be subject to a mash efficiency), the assumed mash efficiency for the grains in the final recipe will be 70%, if that helps.

    When this poll is done, I will look at the data a few different ways to determine the central tendency. It may or may not be as simple as a plurality would indicate. There may or may not be a runoff. It all depends on the data.

    I recommend you think about this in terms of not only your personal preferences, but also in the context of the ABV and Final Gravity (and thus the attenuation) already selected, the fermentables selected, and the yeast strain selected.

    This poll will be open for 48 hours.

    If you have issues with or suggestions for methodologies used in this project, please send them via beermail. Let's keep the threads themselves on topic to the question at hand and not about how you would have asked the question differently.

    The Averagely Perfect ESB Recipe so far...

    Target ABV: 5.4%
    OG: 1.053
    FG: 1.012 (77.4% Apparent Attenuation)

    Grain Bill (proportions TBD):
    ---Maris Otter
    ---English Crystal Malt (~55L) (1%-6%, TBD this poll)
    ---English Dark Crystal (~80L) (1%-6%, TBD this poll)
    ---Invert Sugar #2 (4%)

    Yeast Strain: Wyeast 1469
     
    #1 VikeMan, Mar 31, 2017
  2. Granitebeard

    Granitebeard Zealot (549) Aug 24, 2016 Maine

    5 and 2 for me. Keep the darker stuff so color more then much else.
     
    #2 Granitebeard, Mar 31, 2017
  3. crcostel

    crcostel Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2006 Illinois

    5 c55 for me. Love the toffee note and its a traditional malt for bitters.
     
    #3 crcostel, Mar 31, 2017
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  4. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Simpson's medium crystal, clocking in at 55L, is my favorite-est. 5 and 2 feels right to me, and this beer is looking pretty good to me, so far.
     
    #4 pweis909, Mar 31, 2017
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  5. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    5% c55 and 2% c80 for me as well.

    I'm having really good feelings about where this beer is heading. Come on Citra :slight_smile:

    P.S. I just decided if I ever buy a race horse, I'm naming it Citra :slight_smile:
     
    #5 wspscott, Mar 31, 2017
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  6. Granitebeard

    Granitebeard Zealot (549) Aug 24, 2016 Maine

    I have seen hops in a few of these, and just know, I will do all I can to make sure that citra isn't in this beer. Call me crazy, but I can't do that.
     
    #6 Granitebeard, Mar 31, 2017
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  7. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    smiley faces like this :slight_smile: mean I am joking. I'm not actually voting for Citra in this beer and I am pretty sure no one else will either.

    Still think Citra is a great name for a racehorse
     
    #7 wspscott, Mar 31, 2017
  8. crcostel

    crcostel Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2006 Illinois

    May have to vote for Citra just so someone will :wink:
     
    #8 crcostel, Mar 31, 2017
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  9. InVinoVeritas

    InVinoVeritas Initiate (0) Apr 16, 2012 Wisconsin

    Citra is a terrible idea for this!!! To me English hop flavor is a defining aspect of an ESB. I don't really think of the ESB as a new age / new world style. I'm not apposed Citra and love it fresh, it just is no longer an ESB; it's an APA or an AIPA.
     
    #9 InVinoVeritas, Mar 31, 2017
  10. crcostel

    crcostel Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2006 Illinois

    This is a joke running from a few polls back. As @wspscott says no one really wants Citra in an ESB.
     
    #10 crcostel, Mar 31, 2017
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  11. InVinoVeritas

    InVinoVeritas Initiate (0) Apr 16, 2012 Wisconsin

    Yup, read that after posting. I bit hook, line, and sinker hahaha
     
    #11 InVinoVeritas, Mar 31, 2017
  12. Hanglow

    Hanglow Pooh-Bah (2,051) Feb 18, 2012 Scotland
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    Yeah fuck your citra.

    Going to dry-lychee this beer though.

    Who's with me?
     
    #12 Hanglow, Mar 31, 2017
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  13. Granitebeard

    Granitebeard Zealot (549) Aug 24, 2016 Maine

    Between work stress, home stress, and getting sick, nothing has been funny to me for about two weeks... Sorry to be that guy that doesn't get stuff.
     
    #13 Granitebeard, Mar 31, 2017
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  14. crcostel

    crcostel Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2006 Illinois

    I was sick and missed the joke too a few days ago
    No worries
     
    #14 crcostel, Mar 31, 2017
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  15. Soneast

    Soneast Pooh-Bah (1,751) May 9, 2008 Wisconsin
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    There are some newer UK hops I wouldn't mind trying however. Rather than your typical Fuggles, EK Goldings etc.
     
    #15 Soneast, Mar 31, 2017
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  16. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    No worries, my wife says I'm the only person who thinks my jokes are funny :slight_smile:

    hope you feel better soon
     
    #16 wspscott, Apr 1, 2017
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  17. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I have wondered where this forum would go with an Averagely Perfect Fruit Beer. Is this the answer?
     
    #17 pweis909, Apr 1, 2017
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  18. redgorillabreath

    redgorillabreath Zealot (511) Mar 29, 2015 Pennsylvania

    Ok...I'm the sole vote at 5% 80L.

    Am I alone because that would be too roasty for everyone else's taste? Or simply out of style?

    Cheers!
     
    #18 redgorillabreath, Apr 1, 2017
  19. crcostel

    crcostel Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2006 Illinois

    C55 is more traditional for a bitter. I think most of us had contemplated just a triffle of C80
     
    #19 crcostel, Apr 1, 2017
  20. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    It may depend on the maltster but I think of 80L as the beginning of the raisin territory, albeit not nearly as much as 120-160L types. But I've been trying to work through some 160L crystal in some of my darker recipes and even at a couple ounces it's noticeable. Was hoping for no raisin in this one, if only to contrast it with beers I'm stocked up on now.
     
    #20 pweis909, Apr 1, 2017
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