Bad Trader @djkuback: *Resolved*

1. More than fair to call off the trade. Two weeks is more than reasonable to wait for a box to ship. On the other hand, I've had people ship without notification, so you may want to reach out & formally say "Hey, we're done here" just in case.
2. Opinions will vary, but I think you'd be justified in leaving neutral feedback with a succinct message about your experience. I know I don't want to trade with people like this, & the more "red flags" in their trading history, the less chance the next person will get burned. And yes, I'm pretty sure the open trade will hang around a long time.

I've always felt that if something doesn't feel right about the other trader, that going through with it will lead to more pain than just cutting the cord. Two weeks is ridiculous, especially for someone as prompt as yourself. Bail! Bail!

 

Send him a note, ask him if he has shipped, if not, tell him not to bother.

 

"He owned his past transgressions..." and decide to commit another.
Has he responded to you at all?

 

Barring proofs of circumstances beyond his control, I would *state* with 100% certainty that the trade is off if he hasn't shipped and given you a tracking #. Anything less, he'll string you along again through promises. I've seen it too often already. I wouldn't want to complete the trade at this point at all. I'd leave a neutral feedback as minimum. 2 poor feedback and 2 weeks with no indication of shipment, it's more than warranted to let people know not to give him another chance.

 

Odd case. The other trader offered to ship first. Would they still have flaked out (seemingly) if you had not brought up their past feedback and just had them ship first as they had originally suggested? We'll likely never know. Bizarre.

 

Not to harp on the staff, but this is another great example of why feedback getting erased when only one side leaves feedback is absolutely silly. It incentivizes people that are bad traders to not leave feedback and allow their bad-trade feedback to get deleted, artificially raising their rating after the feedback window has closed.

 

I think I know this guy. Same issue with me a year ago. The guy in question has a 97% rating with one negative and one neutral rating. I asked a similar question and I even had a mod take a look at our convo as a gut check to make sure I wasn't out of line if I bailed on trade (see link below). I essentially gave him an ultimatum (which he fell through on) and I walked away. I would go so far to say don't ship until you receive your box. He did ship but said he got a message a bottle broke and his box got shipped back. I never shipped and after a couple months the trade in the system was purged.

https://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/communication-issues-and-what-to-do.411836/

 

@Todd can this loophole be fixed? It undermines the integrity of the trade system.

 

Knowing that even if neutral feedback is given, the trade is likely going to vanish eventually, I personally would appreciate it if one of the two parties here would name the trader in question. Perhaps you can dodge the feedback system, but you can't dodge your name getting put in a bad trader thread. And I don't want to deal with this person without knowing the full history.

 

If @LambicPentameter confirms it is the same guy and a mod weighs in, I'd be happy to disclose. But I don't feel it's right to name a guy without knowing it's the same one (my issue was a full year ago so it could be a coincidence).

 

Not the first time he is the subject of this type of thread:
https://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/bad-trade-situation-resolved-djkuback.424149/

 

I'll address with a reply after work.

Cheers!

 

It seems when you have a habitual line-stepper like this, it would be best to yank their trading privileges. While this time did not cross into the Bad Traderverse, the only reason it didn't is the OP was smart enough to ask this guy to ship first.

This person will do it gain.

 

Actually if you read the OP, the trader in question originally offered to send first. To their credit, they were proactively self-policing.

 

I don't think anyone has tagged @djkuback so they might not even know about this thread.

I agree, anyone with multiple strikes like this should not be trading, either through a self-imposed ban or one from the outside. Self-awareness is a beautiful thing.

 

Leaving Feedback
When you're ready to leave feedback, go to your Open trades, find the trade item, and confirm that you're ready. The feedback form will then appear.

• Feedback should only be left if one or both traders have shipped.

Taken directly from our site ^^^^^^

@LambicPentameter

 

This needs to be fixed too. Once trade request is accepted, feedback should be fair game. Another loophole here that helps bad traders and misses an opportunity to inform the rest of the community.