American Barleywine Recipe Critique

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  1. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    To celebrate my birthday and 30 years since homebrewing my first batch, I want to brew an American Barleywine. First time ever. Thinking in the manner of Bigfoot and similar. Half-size batch. I'm wondering about recipe tweaks. I don't want to run to a homebrew shop (4 hrs round trip) but have some ingredients on hand for making adjustments.

    • Should I bump up the crystal? I have on hand an extra 8 oz of the Briess 60L, about 4 oz of Muntons 60L. Also a pound of Muntons Caramalt (12L) on hand. T
    • Base malt blend? I'm happy with the targeted OG, so I don't think I want to boost overall base malts, but have enough of each on hand that I could go all 2row or all Maris if anyone felt that was going to be desirable, e.g., make it maltier with Maris.
    • Mash temp adjustment? Build body with higher temp?
    • Have considerable flexibility on hops, except for Chinook, if anyone thought it needed more. Middle additions, dry hops? If the IBU / GU seems a little out of balance, I have to say that I am have never found the steeping IBUs to deliver satisfying bitterness and tend to discount them in these calculations. Steeping temp is 180F.
    • Yeast Pitch? I have 3 packs of US05 on hand. I was thinking for a half batch, one would be sufficient, but then I started looking at the Brewer's Friend Calculator, that reported a wide range in billions of cells per gram of dry yeast. At the low end, I would need three packs. At the high end, one. Maybe just split the difference and bump to two packs?

    Recipe: Guessqui-centennial (American Barleywine)
    (to celebrate birthdays, years in homebrewing, and I forget how many batches of beer, but we'll conservatively call it 150ish)

    Batch Size (fermenter): 3.00 gal
    Estimated OG: 1.092 SG
    Estimated Color: 13.4 SRM
    Estimated IBU: 108.7 IBUs
    Brewhouse Efficiency: 72.00 %
    Est Mash Efficiency: 78.0 %

    Ingredients:
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    Amt Name % Est IBU
    5 lbs Brewers Malt 2-Row (Briess) (1.8 SRM) 47.3 %
    5 lbs Maris Otter Malt (Muntons) (3.0 SRM) 47.3 %
    8.0 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM) 4.7 %
    1.0 oz Chocolate Wheat (Weyermann) (415.0 SRM) 0.6 %
    (just for color as I like those amber wavelengths)

    1.00 oz Columbus/Tomahawk/Zeus (CTZ) [13.30 %] Boil 60 min 64.8 IBUs
    0.33 oz Chinook [11.90 %] - Boil 60.0 min 19.1 IBUs
    1.50 oz Cascade [6.30 %] - Steep/Whirlpool 20.0 min 7.5 IBUs
    1.50 oz Centennial [9.10 %] - Steep/Whirlpool 20.0 min 10.9 IBUs
    0.67 oz Chinook [11.90 %] - Steep/Whirlpool 20.0 min 6.4 IBUs
    1.0 pkg Safale American (DCL/Fermentis #US-05) [50.28 m Yeast

    Mash Schedule: BIAB, Medium Body
    Total Grain Weight: 10 lbs 9.0 oz

    Saccharification Add 20.09 qt of water at 162 F to bring to 152 F, hold for 60 min
     
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  2. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    I like it! 2 pkts yeast and no worries mash temp at 152 looks good as well.
    Have fun
     
  3. chavinparty

    chavinparty Zealot (653) Jan 4, 2015 New Hampshire

    I would go straight mo and no crystal. But It Looks great to me
     
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  4. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Grain bill looks good to me.
     
  5. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    I agree. If he wants to adjust his color he can do it with Carafa. Then again, as is, this beer looks solid.
     
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  6. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    One packet of dry yeast is PLENTY for 3 gallons of beer.
     
  7. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    Big beers I always go big on yeast, but to each there own,
     
  8. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    I know a lot of people do this, but they really don't need to. Especially with dry yeast. That said, if it helps you to sleep better at night, then have at it, but yeast replicate to volume, with sugar content of solution really not factoring in at all in the VAST majority of situations.
     
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  9. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    ok, but I like sleeping better:sunglasses::sunglasses::sunglasses:
     
  10. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    Personally, I'd throw in some dry hops. I know you're probably going to age most of the batch, but it'll add an extra bit of fun to the first few bottles that are cracked to see how carbonation is coming along.
     
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  11. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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  12. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    No accident. When I thought about an anniversary beer, Bigfoot came to mind so I looked at that recipe and others, and happened to have some compatible ingredients. I’ve only ever seen the beer in my area a couple summers back, and it was selling at a discount. Maybe I had the 2015 in 2016 or so. It was delicious.
     
  13. NorCalKid

    NorCalKid Initiate (0) Jan 10, 2018 California

    Hey J-Man this has always fascinated me. Sorry to go off the OP but I just pitched 2 pks of 05 into 6 gals of a 1070ish DIPA. It’s probably overkill by I was curious on how fermentation would go. Well at 64f it was a quick and lack luster . Small krausen and the dry hops fell out quick. Cold crashing now. To be continued.

    So to piggyback off @pweis909 (congrats man) this recipe sounds awesome. Literally read my mind, I’ve got a 1/2 lbs of Cenntenial that I was conjuring up for a Barleywine. Very curious as well on the pitch with dry yeast also. But doubled.
     
  14. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Thanks, all. I'm brewing it today, with the original recipe, plus @MrOH's dry hop idea, only maybe I'll keg rather than bottle this batch. @NorCalKid 's post^^ plus the beer name itself helped select the hop I'll use in the dry addition. 2.5 oz.

    I did consider the all Maris switch and dropping the crystal suggested by @chavinparty and @EvenMoreJesus. I decided I'm only going to know for sure if I brew it both ways. So, I guess I'm already planning my second barleywine.
     
  15. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Won't cell walls rupture trying to reach stasis if sugar content is too high or cell count is too low?
     
  16. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Although osmotic shock is certainly a thing, in the specific gravities that we see in "normal" brewing environments the yeast shouldn't be affected all that much.

    Massively technical article here:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC120784/

    If you scroll down to the end, the section entitled, "Time Course of Events in Adaptation to Hyperosmotic Shock" will give you the gist.

    FWIW, cells in a hyperosmotic environment won't swell and burst, but will do the opposite until compensatory regulatory mechanisms kick in.

    More, again very technical, reading on this, IMO, very interesting subject:

    http://www.microbiologyresearch.org...est&checksum=A5DBA443FE1FC4867B5F4D77C3FC20DD

    https://academic.oup.com/femsyr/article/2/3/251/562218
     
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  17. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Totally had it backwards. Cell walls blow up during osmosis when water is taken into the cell walls. Oops
     
  18. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    FWIW, Sierra uses C60 from Simpsons.
     
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  19. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Oh well, I used the Briess. I did have some Muntons C60 but decided to save it for a mild.
     
  20. Brewday

    Brewday Zealot (721) Dec 25, 2015 New York

    Have you seen this. Pretty crazy.

     
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