Adjuncting with hazelnut/pecan?

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  1. nomadicbeer

    nomadicbeer Pundit (833) Sep 26, 2016 Missouri
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    Hey everyone,

    I have an 11%+ stout that has been sitting in a rye whiskey barrel for about 5 months. I am planning on adjuncting it once we pull the beer out of the barrel with a boatload of vanilla and coconut, then adding some peppers, Saigon cinnamon, and a couple other things later in secondary.

    I'm particularly interested in adding either roasted hazelnut powder or roasted pecans/pecan powder. Does anyone have experience, particularly with the powders, using these? Leads on good sources would be appreciated as well.

    Thanks!

    Derek
     
  2. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    What in the literal fuck is going on here?

    I just don't know where to start. Throwing everything in the pantry in what's probably an already solid BA imperial stout or using the made up word "adjuncting".

    I hate craft beer.
     
  3. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Adjuncting is a very special form of ingredienting.
     
  4. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    So . . . after being a dick just there, I thought I might provide some help, even though I can't imagine making this beer myself.

    If you want nut flavor in a beer like this, you're not going to get much, if any, from nut flour/powder. I'd go with something like organic extract.

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    That said, for the love of all things holy, just pick one or two flavorings and go with them. Instead of using a half-dozen in one batch, you could also split your batch into smaller, maybe 1 gallon, batches and dose them each with different flavorings. You could even blend those after packaging to see if the flavorings work well together.

    Lastly, and probably most importantly, if you want to be a brewer, learn what the word adjunct means.
     
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  5. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    Jesus is having a bad day and since its Jesus, we will forgive him,,,,,, and his extract

    Can't help on sourcing but I'd roast the pecans myself, grind them then add for a week.

    Vanilla,, I would avoid a boatload. Get some beans scrape,m out and add . Start with 1 per 5. Gallons wait a week and taste.

    Feel better Jesus.
     
  6. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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    He must first learn to forgive himself. :wink:


    OP, seems like you’re running the risk of really muddling up a batch with all those named and unnamed stuffings. If it doesn't pan out and ends up being really crummy, your 5 months of anticipation and patiently waiting will perhaps be for naught other than to think “Alrighty then....I won’t do THAT again”.

    I’m with EMJ on divvying into smallerish ‘test’ batches, each with different additionings to see how they work with your beer. You might find one or more to be awesome, and others not so much. The awesomer small batches will give clues to what it is you really like, and amounts to add.
    Then blend.....or not.
     
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  7. Brewday

    Brewday Zealot (721) Dec 25, 2015 New York

    I'd like to know what the other things are. [​IMG]
     
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  8. nomadicbeer

    nomadicbeer Pundit (833) Sep 26, 2016 Missouri
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    It will be approximately 2 vanilla beans per gallon, 3 pounds of toasted organic coconut, 3 oz. of Saigon cinnamon, some dehydrated powdered Carolina Reaper peppers (not a lot), single origin coffee that I aged in the rye barrel, and maple syrup added just before kegging/bottling.

    It's to replace the groom's cake at my wedding. Will be bringing a single keg down there, so probably won't be able to do individual treatments. Only vanilla will be present during the entire process of aging on adjuncts; other stuff will be added and subtracted as they add elements of favor as desired.

    Not looking to be a professional brewer, just having fun with a wedding beer. Really just wanted to know about people's personal experience dealing with the two aforementioned nuts in different forms. Complete, unabashed douchebaggery unnecessary; stories of what people have learned from working with these two nuts very much appreciated.

    Thanks.
     
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  9. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Jesus. SMH. Good luck with this beer being anything approaching drinkable.
     
  10. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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    There's a commercial beer I like that has an obvious toasted pecan note. I found a clone recipe for a 5-gallon batch that the author claims to be very close.
    It calls for adding to the primary, which has passed for you. I've not brewed it....just putting it out there for evaluation of the pecan process.

    Roast 12 oz. pecans @ 275° for 30 minutes, turning occasionally to get an even toast.
    To sanitize the pecans it suggests simmering the pecans in water or vodka but 1) didn't say how long (I'd guess at least 10 minutes), and 2) didn't say to simmer before or after soaking. It was also not stated whether the simmering liquid was added or dumped.
    Seems 30 minutes @ 275° would be enough to sanitize.


    Special occasion and presumably many people....is there a backup plan if it misses your mark? :astonished:
     
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  11. frozyn

    frozyn Maven (1,435) May 16, 2015 New York
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    Seems doable, if you look at all the pastry stouts that are coming out these days. Other Half has put out stouts in the past 6-12 months using nearly all the ingredients OP mentioned, at least. Also depends on one's definition of drinkable. :beers:
     
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  12. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    I'm with @EvenMoreJesus on this one, and I totally agree with the extract - Amoretti makes several good items - but if you're going to do it with real nuts use Pecans as they're more noticeable, have less oil which will kill the head, and appear sweeter even if they're not. Follow @GormBrewhouse on that.
     
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  13. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    When I do a wedding beer, I make sure it's a recipe I've brewed at least twice, preferably three times, before. IMO it's not the time to experiment. But that's only my opinion.
     
  14. nomadicbeer

    nomadicbeer Pundit (833) Sep 26, 2016 Missouri
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    This is our third batch with the recipe, and we've been ramping up the adjuncts as we progressed through each batch.
     
  15. nomadicbeer

    nomadicbeer Pundit (833) Sep 26, 2016 Missouri
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    Yes, we do have a backup. I will definitely look into this if we go the pecan route. Thank you kindly!
     
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  16. frozyn

    frozyn Maven (1,435) May 16, 2015 New York
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    As to the question at hand, the extract @EvenMoreJesus posted or the whole/cracked nuts method referred to by @riptorn and @GormBrewhouse posted seem to me to be the best routes. Any powder at this point might make a whole lotta gunk that could make your life difficult during transfers. Extract seems like the top option as you could even add more to the keg in the event you don't add enough to get to your liking, but that's coming from someone who has never added any sort of nut material to a beer.
     
  17. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Meant to mention...aside from any grammar lessons, adjuncts are sources (other than malts) of fermentable sugars. Most of the ingredients discussed here aren't adjuncts.
     
  18. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    IF you manage to pull this off, it sounds like a great beer. However, since this is a beer for a Very Special Occasion, I think I would prefer to have something I know will be great, and would have a mass appeal for folks there that aren't Beer Geeks. Does your Uncle Paul like over-the-top everything-under-the-sun stouts? Maybe just have an awesome rye-barrel-aged imperial stout.
     
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  19. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Let's take inventory of what we have here. Assuming that it's a 5 gallon batch of imperial stout.

    Bourbon barrel
    10 vanilla beans
    3 pounds of toasted organic coconut
    3 oz. of Saigon cinnamon
    some dehydrated powdered Carolina Reaper peppers
    single origin coffee that I aged in the rye barrel
    maple syrup added just before kegging/bottling
    hazelnuts and/pecans

    The amount of vanilla alone is going to make it smell and taste like a Yankee Candle. I can't imagine what adding that much coconut and cinnamon will do in addition. Even without knowing the amounts of the last four ingredients, at the best they are just going to be icing on the grossest cake ever.
     
  20. AWA

    AWA Savant (1,195) Jul 22, 2014 California

    Damn it. You're right. Now I hate craft beer too. Gonna go drink a Coors alone in the dark.
     
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