New England Double IPA style?

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  1. digboy

    digboy Maven (1,468) Dec 4, 2016 New Hampshire
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    I know the addition of NEIPA to the style list was contentious and I have no intention of riling people up here. I just wanted to make an observation that there are a lot of DIPAs that are clearly made in the NEIPA style but happen to have a higher alcohol content. The choice between NEIPA and Americal Double IPA in the list seem to offer something unfair to both options. It seems disingenuous to call it a NEIPA and ignore the ABV. Likewise it seems silly to classify these beers as regular American doubles based *only* on the alcohol content. I just had a 8.2% beer that is the epitome of a NEIPA (https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/33136/247919) but is called a DIPA and shows up in the same list as Dogfish Head's 90 minute :astonished:.

    Has this been brought up already? What is the recommended approach?
     
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  2. Tamarack

    Tamarack Initiate (0) Sep 22, 2016 Massachusetts

    If NEIPA gets multiple categories before Czech lagers I WILL leave this site and never return lmao
     
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  3. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    Based on that there should be a sub category for all IPAs: double Belgian IPA, double English IPA etc.

    I do find it interesting that American ipa is the only one with an imperial sub category. There is a difference between a NEIPA @7% and one at 9%.

    With all that being said it doesn’t matter to me personally whether there is one or not. Seems like too many styles anyways.
     
  4. surfcaster

    surfcaster Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2013 North Carolina
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    Radical concept.

    Call it a NEIPA and put the alcohol content on the can. Throw in "imperial" if you feel inclined on the label. Semantics.

    These days the branding/style listing is as much to not compete with own offerings as true identification. Lagunitas Citrusinensis was called an APA at 7.9%. More substyles would not clear the murky waters. :wink:

    Some smartie will (albeit correctly) remark they are all "pale ales."
     
  5. surfcaster

    surfcaster Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2013 North Carolina
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    There is.

    2%:wink:

    I find those difference to be actually quite small and more so for this style than some others. Some big ones taste deceivingly smaller and vice versa. I agree with you for avoiding another sub style. Label it for all to see easily and move on.
     
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  6. HorseheadsHophead

    HorseheadsHophead Grand Pooh-Bah (3,732) Sep 15, 2014 Colorado
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    Better start packing.
     
  7. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,071) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
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    It has been discussed amongst the Staff and we would recommend putting them in the NEIPA style - if there is ever an NEDIPA style added to the site (and I have no knowledge if there will or will not be), it will be easier/less manual to segment the beers within the style by ABV.
     
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  8. Wasatch

    Wasatch Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,050) Jun 8, 2005 Colorado
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    Having one right now.:slight_smile:

    Cheers!
     
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  9. jlharman

    jlharman Initiate (0) Apr 5, 2015 Washington

    Me too, Reuben's Crush XI.

    Cheers!
     
  10. ovaltine

    ovaltine Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,787) Apr 6, 2010 Indiana
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    It's not contentious, it just doesn't make a whole lotta sense, IMHO.

    I like beer. A lot. I like IPA's. A lot. I don't need another category for NEIPA, any more than I need another category for West Coast IPA.

    I know the difference.
     
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  11. joe1510

    joe1510 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,522) Aug 21, 2006 Illinois
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    I agree with your point.

    I find "Brut IPA" as it's own category even more out of wack than the whole NEIPA thing.

    With that said, I noticed this evening that there is an "American Brett Style" category on here. There is also an "American Wild Ale" category that includes beers brewed using brett.
     
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  12. ben4unc

    ben4unc Zealot (704) Feb 28, 2013 North Carolina
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    I love Hazy, Orange Juice looking, haze Bro, NE IPA's!
     
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  13. readyski

    readyski Pooh-Bah (1,557) Jun 4, 2005 California
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    Man if they add this style (DNEIPA) they need to add the Strong American Wild Ale, cause.....thinking of Consecration...
     
  14. bobv

    bobv Grand Pooh-Bah (5,319) Feb 3, 2009 Vermont
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    My thread started 11/1/18:

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/style-new-england-dipa.593176/
     
  15. digboy

    digboy Maven (1,468) Dec 4, 2016 New Hampshire
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    OK - I think this might be the practical answer to the question of what to call it. Seems the general consensus is that breaking out categories is akin to courting the devil so for the purposes of this site I will settle the "splitters vs lumpers" debate by embracing the lumper side. Time for a NEIPA to celebrate I think :grin:

    Thanks all for responding.
     
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  16. digboy

    digboy Maven (1,468) Dec 4, 2016 New Hampshire
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    True words Bro. True words.
     
  17. RyanK252

    RyanK252 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,654) May 18, 2014 California
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    I'm all in favor of making a category for Imperial New England IPAs. Putting Revision's 10.5% New England Style "Hops In A Can" in the current category just feels wrong.

    That being said, allow me to play devil's advocate for a second. If we're adding more sub-categories, why not Milkshake IPA? If the addition of lactose is enough to make a stout its own category, why not the same for IPAs? To me, especially when vanilla is involved, they are very clearly different.
     
  18. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    This one is tough, and it's hard to describe, but you do know a NEIPA when you see one. So what's the trigger point? Many beers are unfiltered. So it's basically a turbid, lower abv than Dipas, and much lower on the bitter scale. So what seperates an IPA from a Dipa, besides more malt, more hops and. 1-2 % bump in abv? We're getting into semantics to a degree and a bit of a bump on ingredients to make fractional changes. But again there is a difference in the glass between an IPA, a Dipa, a NEIPA.
     
  19. mudbug

    mudbug Pooh-Bah (1,762) Mar 27, 2009 Oregon
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    What gets me is all the breweries putting out hazy no bitterness overly sweet (to me) products and calling them IPA I am overly sensitive to sweet so I really don't like the new NEIPA I couldn't care less about ABV other than printing it on the container.
     
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  20. Amendm

    Amendm Pooh-Bah (2,589) Jun 7, 2018 Rhode Island
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    Any style could have an imperial version and I'm not against adding new styles.
    Imp. Red Ale/Red Larger, Imp. NEIPA, Imp. Brown Ale are my favorite candidates.
     
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