Is the American Pale Wheat Ale dying?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by johnnybgood1999, Feb 6, 2019.

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Have you seen a drop or disappearance of American Pale Wheat Ales

  1. Yes

    29 vote(s)
    54.7%
  2. No

    18 vote(s)
    34.0%
  3. What are American Pale Wheat Ales

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  1. johnnybgood1999

    johnnybgood1999 Savant (1,000) Oct 31, 2008 Virginia

    My first craft beer was Boulevard Wheat. It led me to my next craft beer, which was Old Ruffian Barleywine. I love all styles, but one that was there as an amazingly refreshing option to mix in between heftier ales was a good pale wheat. I had Boulevard, goose Island, lately the wheat Deschutes makes, and a few others between.

    What is the one commonality among them? I don't get them anymore, nor do I have alternatives (barring other similar styles, like a Wit or Hefe) Boulevard, for example, distributes here, but my beer stores say they absolutely cannot order me a case of wheat. I miss these beers tremendously and wonder if any others have seen a precipitous decline in the offerings of the style? Here they are replaced by other styles, obviously.
     
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  2. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    At this point, I doubt brewers are trying to make a beer like Oberon with hopes of it becoming another Oberon. I would imagine that those roles are already cast. On the other hand, the question can be: “Are there any brewers working on new ‘American wheat ales’ that won’t taste like IPAs?”
     
  3. johnnybgood1999

    johnnybgood1999 Savant (1,000) Oct 31, 2008 Virginia

    No doubt. For similar beers it's been let's hop it up for a while in my area.
     
  4. Roadkizzle

    Roadkizzle Initiate (0) Nov 6, 2007 Texas

    Please do. American Pale Wheat Ales are disgusting.
    This comes from someone who loves Hefeweizen's, Witbiers, and most other wheat beers.

    But the American Pale Wheat Ale brings everything bad about the different styles without trying to bring anything of it's own to add to the party.

    Boulevards Unfiltered Wheat in particular tastes like pissed on hay.
    My wife first pointed it out and I can't taste anything else and everyone I've pointed it out to has agreed with us (probably only about 5 people granted).

    But in my area I don't think that they are really dying out. Every brewery of course doesn't have one but many new breweries do. Even if they call their beers a hefeweizen or Witbier they aren't fooling me.
     
  5. johnnybgood1999

    johnnybgood1999 Savant (1,000) Oct 31, 2008 Virginia

    I've noticed a lot of people feel this way. To my palate it's a very refreshing, lemony and wheat taste that sits well with me. I enjoy Wits and hefes, but I like pale wheats more because the yeast strains get out of the way of the wheat, letting it cut through more.
     
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  6. jakecattleco

    jakecattleco Grand Pooh-Bah (3,749) Sep 3, 2008 California
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  7. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    Hopefully.

    Yeah but have you ever had NEW ENGLAND style Pissed on Hay?

    Or Double Pissed on Hay?


    But seriously, for me this style has always been more a poor attempt at a Hefe than a good style. Or, as has been stated, another vehicle for hops. See Lagunitas Lil' Sumpin' Sumpin'.
     
  8. Ranbot

    Ranbot Pooh-Bah (2,463) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    :thinking_face:
    Exactly....
     
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  9. Ranbot

    Ranbot Pooh-Bah (2,463) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    Agreed. I recognize the American Pale Wheat as a distinct style, but I personally find it to be a very uninteresting style. On the non-hoppy end of the spectrum, I'd rather have a German Hefeweizen. On the hoppy end of the spectrum there's little difference between Pale Ales and IPAs, so what's the point? I think the the problem is the clean tasting American yeasts, which are great for showcasing hops, but when the hops aren't there it's boring compared to the yeast-derived flavors weizens, saisons, or Belgian wits.
     
  10. Roadkizzle

    Roadkizzle Initiate (0) Nov 6, 2007 Texas

    I know of at least 10 breweries in the Dallas-Fort Worth metroplex that have American Pale Wheat Ales. (Well a couple say hefeweizen but add fruit puree or something like that).

    Then there are probably 3 or 4 more that seem to be trying to do an actual Hefeweizen or Wit but fall so short of the mark that I personally have to consider them American Pale Wheat Ales.

    But there are a couple that are really good. Bankhead Brewing for one. Obviously they won a medal at GABF for their Hefe and I would not have argued when I went there recently.
     
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  11. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    Eh, I've got a few examples of the style that I really enjoying drinking (in the warmer months). Oberon, Thresher from TG (hope they put that in cans), and Gumballhead.

    That being said, if the pale wheat ale is dying, is the dark wheat ale extinct?
     
  12. BeastOfTheNortheast

    BeastOfTheNortheast Pooh-Bah (2,153) Dec 26, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    A Little Sumpin' Sumpin' is damn tasty!
     
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  13. HopsDubosc

    HopsDubosc Pundit (803) Apr 24, 2015 Vermont

    I love Chasing Rabbits by BBCO, but..... definitely a hop vehicle.
     
  14. ecpho

    ecpho Savant (1,183) Mar 28, 2011 New York

    I really enjoy Montauk's Summer Ale which uses some wheat and isn't hopped up. Perfect for warm weather and having a few without overpowering your mouth. There's definitely a place and a market for Oberon types.
     
  15. SudsDoctor

    SudsDoctor Pooh-Bah (1,739) Nov 23, 2008 New York
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    Excluding the hop-forward examples like A Little Sumpin' Sumpin' and Fortunate Islands, the only ones I can recall ever having are Oberon and Tröegs Dreamweaver. The latter is categorized as a hefeweizen by the brewery and here, but from what I recall of it (had it once years ago), it was closer to an APWA. I like Oberon and have bought it a few times, but I'd rather just drink a Weihenstephaner hefe for a summer wheat beer fix.
     
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  16. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Dreanweaver is indeed a Hefeweizen. It has notable flavors of banana and cloves.

    Cheers!
     
  17. SudsDoctor

    SudsDoctor Pooh-Bah (1,739) Nov 23, 2008 New York
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    As I said, it was years ago...back when I had a much less refined palate. :laughing::rolling_eyes:
     
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  18. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    You indeed did.

    Just wanted to set the record straight both for you and others.

    Cheers!
     
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  19. johnnybgood1999

    johnnybgood1999 Savant (1,000) Oct 31, 2008 Virginia

    I see them as completely different from and not an attempt at a hefe. They seem to be meant to be a bit cleaner, lighter, and crisper. The wheat seems more in your face. Personally, I consider the hoppier examples to be a different style. For example, if New Belgium takes their Trippel and hops it up to IPA level to match the body and ABV, is it still in the appropriate style category?
     
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  20. Amendm

    Amendm Pooh-Bah (2,589) Jun 7, 2018 Rhode Island
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    I voted Yes per the question however I do not think the style is "dying" per the OPs title.
    Belgian Witbier and German Hefeweizen are much more popular and hard to compete with.
    Good luck finding Dark Wheat Ales.
     
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