Potential Bad Trader

Yes, we definitely can leave this open. @John_M totally agree with your assessment of the situation.

Hopefully the new trend in trading (not) is get your box on time, but don't communicate tracking or ignore your trade partner and leave them in the dark along the way

I personally would leave positive, but definitely make note of communication concerns in feedback

 

@David55555

I will echo some of the sentiments already stated here for additional support, but also add a twist:

1. Don’t post the name. As stated above, the trade was completed. Beers arrived safely. In the event someone does what we always suggest (running a search of someone’s handle before embarking on a trade), their name will come up. Bad communication not withstanding, not a “bad trader,” but certainly one many would likely add to their personal DNT list.
2. 1 is not important for people to know their name when we can just view your feedback once it has been posted. Again, outing the name is not required.
3. Positive or neutral are both warranted, do what you are comfortable with.

4. This is where I will break from others. If I was you, I would wait to leave feedback until after you hear back. Specifically, I would try to get an explanation (“gently harassing” her by PM, just asking what happened, since it seemed so strange from your past experiences). Depending on how long that takes, or if it ever happens, I would allow this to dictate whether I feel comfortable leaving positive feedback (with a comment on communication), or going straight for Neutral.

Glad everything turned out (mostly) positive.

 

Just gonna put my moderator hat on and say one last thing....feedback should be based on what transpired from when the trade *started* to when it was *completed*. By that I mean....if the trader in question never responds moving forward, that shouldn't sway a decision on feedback as the trade is over with and it should be based on what transpired between the lines. It would be nice to get closure, but the damage is done and that cant be changed no matter what excuses or reasons the trader in question gives.

 

This is where I'm at too.

 

This leaves me a bit confused.

If I was OP, and this happened to me, and the trader in question responded to my message and simply said, “Hey dude. I am so sorry. Life has been very busy. XYZ. Totally sorry.” I would have zero issues.

If they never respond (still), I have issues.

The lack of communication happened DURING the trade, while it was open - before it was completed. The fact that you receive clarification once the trade has been completed - or the fact that you never do - does not seem like something that should be ignored. If they had responded before the box arrived, it sounds like you are saying that would be relevant, but the fact that a box has now been delivered makes any response irrelevant? I don’t Understand that.

Said differently, based on your post it sounds like one would be encouraged to leave neutral feed back for a lack of communication while the trade was open, even if the trader in question responded RIGHT NOW with a very good explanation.

That seems just as backwards.

 

I just check for 100% good reputation. I barely ever read the comments. Who has time to read every feedback if a person has over 15-20 feedbacks? If someone like this trader gets positive feedback, I would never see or know that someone has an issue with bad communication. This person would definitely be on my DNT list.

 

This may deserve a separate thread, but I'm curious of what people would consider to be a good/neutral/bad trade. I think there's also actually a 4th category, which is ban-worthy trade (theft would be ban-worthy, whereas there's something else that warrants a bad rating but I'm not quite sure what that is).

In this particular case, I think neutral is appropriate. I'm 99% sure that OP would not trade with this person again so it feels disingenuous to call it a good trade.

 

I’ll start this thread in the general trade talk, and see what people have to say. I am almost 100% sure people won’t agree, but I am curious to see everyone’s opinion.

 

There's no point in a feedback system at all if this trader still has a "100%" feedback rating, if all here is completely accurate and there aren't more extenuating circumstances to her story (and we've been given no reason to believe that there are).

 

Did the OP receive his beers? Yes
Did the beers arrive on time? Yes
Did the OP admit to acting prematurely on making the thread? Yes
Did his trader communicate a tracking number? No
Did the OP ask for a tracking number? No
Did the trader in question send extras? Yes

The trader did everything, except (ultimately) communicate a tracking number and correspond to a message or two inquiring about shipping/ tracking. There is only one side to the story here and I have not seen the conversation of the trade between the two traders, so that should be noted here. As I mentioned before, in my book, positive feedback with communication issues involving tracking.

I'm NOT gonna wait to leave feedback based on a response at this point. Trade is over with. Leave feedback and move on. The "fact" remains that their communication was lacking, BUT, everything else was positive. Again, only one side of the story here. Beers were delivered on time. At this point, is it really worth chasing an answer that may or may not be believable?

The trader could say ANYTHING at this point in time and it won't be as believable based on time frame. Obviously whatever transpired with lack of communication was not life or death threatening as they still delivered beers on time.

It sounds like you would ONLY leave positive feedback if the trader gave you a reason after the trade was completed with communication issues involving tracking...even though all arrived safe n sound, on time, as agreed ...but neutral if you never got disclosure on why you didn't receive a tracking #. Guess we are going to disagree on this one. Again...there is only one side of the story here.

@David55555 messaged you to see trade convo

 

I feel like I don't understand your perspective. If I understand you correctly:

NO communication by the trader in question means you leave positive feedback (not neutral) because beer arrived (late, I believe, by 3 days? I'd have to double check), nothing was broke, and extras were included?

The lack of communication caused OP to try to get his box returned to him, which would have cost him additional $. All of that was caused by a lack of communication.

The fact that beer arrived safe and sound is not the issue. It's the "whole package." To receive positive, everything should be positive.

In regards to your question: Yes, I generally think that most everyone I have traded with on here is a good, honest person. If they do not appear that way, I won't trade with them. So, if they say, "Dude, I'm sorry. My dog died. I just was having a terrible time dealing with it. I don't really have anything better to say, I'm sorry for that lack of communication," then I would cut them a break. I might still leave feedback that said something like, "Everything arrived safe and sound. Good extras. Initially a communication error existed, but that was corrected. Good trader." To me, that would feel accurate.

If they just blow me off and never respond? I don't understand why that deserves 100% feedback.

 

There OBVIOUSLY had to be some communication as the trade took place and NOT no communication. The question here is a shipping/tracking #. I'm waiting to see convo and time stamps to see what exactly transpired to warrant "bad" communication. Again...one sided story here.

 

Neutral Trade feedback discussion started:

https://www.beeradvocate.com/commun...tions-define-leaving-neutral-feedback.621056/

 

Apparently @David55555 is ignoring me and not communicating because he is on the boards perusing other threads...considering I messaged him almost an hour ago...

 

All good...just having fun..lol

 

Hey, isn't fun against the rules?

 

Alright...after reading the entire convo between the traders...there was communication upfront...but non-exsistent from OP's trade partner after the agreed upon ship date. This after numerous times reaching out kindly and professionally by @David55555 wondering what's up.

Feedback, knowing what transpired, would be *nuetral* in my book with communication issues.

The trader in question has great feedback and 20 trades under their belt with good to great communication feedback in most. Seems odd on their part, but they went completely MIA on communication and they have no open trades.

Thanks David for letting me see what transpired.