What are the most remote breweries?

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  1. barrybeerdog

    barrybeerdog Pundit (941) Aug 17, 2012 South Dakota

    Nice thread idea!
    Oxbow seemed to be quite a journey from Portland, but well worth the trek!!
     
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  2. LeRose

    LeRose Grand Pooh-Bah (4,423) Nov 24, 2011 Massachusetts
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    I think "isolated" might be the better word to describe Hill Farmstead given the reasonable proximity to major metro areas? As they say, "ya can't get there from here", but it's just a truly rural location that's a bit tricky to get to. There is the "mecca" factor - this is a place people will/do drive to from anywhere, which seems to take them out of this discussion, IMHO. They aren't reliant upon the resident Greensboro Bend, VT population of 230-ish people, which is what I think you might be getting at based on our chat in the other thread.

    Good idea for a thread. Be interesting to see where it heads.
     
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  3. Ranbot

    Ranbot Pooh-Bah (2,463) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania
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  4. orcrist_cleaver

    orcrist_cleaver Initiate (0) May 3, 2014 New York
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    This thread needs an algorithm for remoteness that works in the same idiosyncratic vein as does the the esoteric rating system for beer. Let me make couple proposals:

    (1) Solve for Isolation. Sliding scale based on distance to nearby metropolitan centers. Value given based on both distance and size.

    (2) Isolate for Remoteness. Population clusters within the radius of distance to given metropolitan centers.
    (2a) Divide by area to get population density.
    (2b) Control for variable by equalizing with number of breweries that exist in its population cluster.
    (2c) Eliminate bias by controlling for difference in quality.

    (3) Introduce second matrix variable of distance to fast food.
    (3a) There will be a sliding scale as well with McDonald's correlating to a smaller metro area.
    (3b) Repeat steps 2 thru 2c.
    (3c) Account for regionality of fast food chains.

    (4) Introduce other matrices for isolation and remoteness like wealth and banking institutions. Theme parks and number of cool roller coasters. Water parks and tall water slides.

    Maybe someone who took economic statistics class at Berkeley can help.

    For further research, I think we can explore questions of the interplay between communal loyalty and the encroachment of new brewing ventures. Will local commitment provide enough support for the original brewery even if the competition is better?

    In the end I want to advocate for some local brewers that I view as adequately geographically isolated, anecdotally speaking. Here are a few breweries that have both beer worth drinking and beer worth venturing for. Old Klaverack Brewery and Honey Hollow Brewing Co. in the rural midpoint halfway between Albany and NYC. Both make fine beer, and at both you literally feel like family because you're drinking in a shed sized brewery in their backyard. Not quite a backyard experience, more like Wrong Turn, but West Kill Brewing is down a dead end road in the Catskills I can imagine TH being like this before the hype monster transformed East Hill Rd into the BQE.
     
  5. Sabtos

    Sabtos Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,920) Dec 15, 2015 Ohio
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    We need to realize that remoteness is a state that's been relatively lost to us on planet Earth, especially in America, but even in places long thought to be vast expanses of wilderness like the Amazon, the Sahara, Siberia, etc.

    As far as the US, there are locations in Wyoming and Alaska that have some of the greatest spaces between them and our civilization and its well worn routes, but, we're getting to a point where there's light pollution and noise pollution everywhere (not to mention the more physically harmful varieties of pollution). Remote islands and archipelagos enjoy the perks of being the most remote inhabitable locations on Earth, but they also experience some of the most negative side effects as well, like sea rise, and accumulating tons of unsightly trash from our massive intercontinental runoff.

    In regards to breweries, not counting places like Hill Farmstead, Jester King, and Ommegang is just being picky and requires the original post to be far more specific. Like: "I'm looking for small breweries only, breweries that no one has heard of but me, breweries that are remote, but also not in a state I don't like, and not in a state that has a popular urban center" would be more accurate.

    To contribute one that hasn't been mentioned, 450 North is in the middle of a corn field. When you're on your way (and your car GPS and/or old school GPS are directing you incorrectly and your phone is going out), you'll definitely think you're lost. Print those MapQuest turn-by-turns beforehand :stuck_out_tongue: :laughing:
     
  6. orcrist_cleaver

    orcrist_cleaver Initiate (0) May 3, 2014 New York
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    Especially true once we consider that some 'remote' behemoths like HF have a distribution radius of IDK, but I'm sure it more expensive than their geographic remoteness suggests. Then take account collaborations, brewers' origins/influences. It's not like Sean Lawson grew up in the woods and decided to make beer in VT. He was born in NJ, and then retreated to the relative recluse of VT. Except what was once a pilgrimage to a bottle shop on a specific day to get said beer, this same beer I can now get a mile way.
     
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  7. cbcrunch

    cbcrunch Grand Pooh-Bah (4,783) Jan 21, 2012 Wyoming
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  8. TheDoctor

    TheDoctor Grand Pooh-Bah (3,484) Mar 7, 2013 Canada (QC)
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    It's not everyday I see mention of Bill! Warms my heart as a Wyomingite. There are quite a few others of similar size too. Sage comes to mind but I think it has 2 residents assuming it still exists/hasn't had a population boom.:stuck_out_tongue:
     
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  9. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    When I visited Scotland we took a ferry up to the Orkney Islands and went to the Orkney Brewery. The brewery itself is well outside any town, so they are pretty remote as well - even if they have a beer that's exported to the US.
     
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    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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  11. ScaryEd

    ScaryEd Grand Pooh-Bah (3,793) Feb 19, 2012 New Hampshire
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    Using Alaska is cheating lol :stuck_out_tongue:
     
  12. TheDoctor

    TheDoctor Grand Pooh-Bah (3,484) Mar 7, 2013 Canada (QC)
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    Nice! I'm gonna be there in a little over a week. Skullsplitter is one of the first "nice imported" beers I vividly remember having years ago and it was pretty overwhelming for my tastes back then. I am hoping to try it on tap.
     
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  13. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    when I was there, they had 4 beers on cask, the rest by bottle. I actually liked their Dark Island more than Skullsplitter. Not as sweet, darker and some mild roast, perfect for cask conditioning.

    But also look for a bottle of the Dark Island Reserve!
    https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/118/40573/
     
  14. Coronaeus

    Coronaeus Grand Pooh-Bah (3,744) Apr 21, 2014 Canada (ON)
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    I can’t seem to find the conversation, but I traded crowns with a guy who works at the Orkney brewery on this site. If I can remember the user name, I’ll pass it along to you @TheDoctor . Very nice guy.
     
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  15. TheDoctor

    TheDoctor Grand Pooh-Bah (3,484) Mar 7, 2013 Canada (QC)
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    Will do! I'm getting excited to drink random local stuff on cask for two weeks, but am definitely equipped to schlep some bottles back here ,so that'll go on my list.
     
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  18. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    It took me most of the day from Arnold, CA, to drive to Tonopah, NV, on my way to Denver, and all I saw in this hot climate along the way were cows (some on the road in this fenceless country) and a few ranch houses in a desert wasteland. Tonopah Brewing's beers tasted better than I think they really were because I was so parched by the time I got there. https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/37045/?view=beers
     
  19. mp7

    mp7 Initiate (0) Aug 10, 2019 California

    Shorts Brewing, Bellaire, MI. Population 1,086. SALUTE! Still my favorite Michigan brewery, and I'm a Founders Mug Club Member.
     
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  20. Icabodcrane

    Icabodcrane Initiate (0) Apr 12, 2019 Connecticut

    Going there the week after next. I have never been but I love the
     
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