Most “Historical-Tasting” AAL?

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  1. EmperorBatman

    EmperorBatman Zealot (741) Mar 16, 2018 Tennessee

    Hello BAs,

    I wanted to get your insights on which AAL tastes the most like its original recipe, as in, which AAL is like a pre-Prohibition lager. I understand that the rush to brew after prohibition, the supply rationing in WW2, and general cost-cutting and market preferences have reduced the flavor of most national brand AALs, so which brewery has kept closest to its classic standards in flavor and ingredients? I understand that I risk this getting into a subjective conversation about which brand is better, though...

    I’ve especially been curious about this lately as I’ve been getting into the video game Red Dead Redemption, and like to have a few authentic beers while role playing a cowboy in the American West at the turn of the century. I normally drink Anchor Steam, Yuengling Traditional, Shiner Bock, or, sometimes, Pilsner Urquell, but I’m looking to expand my selection and learn more while doing so.
     
  2. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    Schell's Deer Brand.

    (I actually have no idea if this is correct - probably isn't; only going by the brewer's spiel ...)
     
  3. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Know anyone who was around back then? Who has the same palate? And can really remember? :confused:

    I know you can base an assumption on recipes, but you can't really confirm it tastes the same.

    FWIW -- Shiner Bock has only been around since 1913, probably not a choice in the wild west. Maybe doughboys carried it into the trenches? :grin:
     
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  4. EmperorBatman

    EmperorBatman Zealot (741) Mar 16, 2018 Tennessee

    I think the recipe is enough to get an idea. In DC, I drank Champagne Velvet a few times and that definitely has a different taste than a modern AAL like Bud.

    Basically, no corn syrup, use of European and Cluster hops rather than modern varietals, and hopping in larger quantities.
     
  5. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Check out Anchor California Lager.
     
  6. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    You might enjoy reading this:
    https://www.growlermag.com/glass-from-the-past-champagne-velvet/

    And here's some additional info:
     
  7. cryptichead

    cryptichead Grand Pooh-Bah (4,857) Jul 3, 2014 Illinois
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  8. Urk1127

    Urk1127 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,790) Jul 2, 2014 New Jersey
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    I was not alive. I do very much like Anchor California Lager but unsure if it’s still around.
     
  9. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,036) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    It's in the current mixed 12pack.
     
  10. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Sugars and syrups have been used in US adjunct lager brewing almost from the beginnning, as The Association of the United Lager Beer Brewers of New York City and Vicinity admitted in The New York Times' How Lager Beer is Made, August 1881:
    *Grape sugar was the term commonly used for what we call "dextrose" today. See also the recipes in Wahl & Henius' American Handy Book of Brewing.... (1901) ...
     
  11. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    That’s a tall task, most people who might know the answer are probably dead. :slight_smile:.

    But when I first started with the beers steel cans was the vessel, and church keys necessary. The popular AALs of the day depended on the local market, in Philly there was Schmidt’s, Ortliebs, maybe even Reading. Then the bigger regional/national beers like Schaefer, Miller, Budweiser, Pabst, Falstaff. Then if your closer to NY/ NJ, add Piels, and Knickerbocker, Reingold. Local AAL were really King because of availability and priced less than the National big shots.

    Same as today? I’d seriously seriously doubt it.
     
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  12. Urk1127

    Urk1127 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,790) Jul 2, 2014 New Jersey
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    I haven’t seen piels in soooo long. That and Schaefer were both very good.
     
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  13. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    That's because Pabst dropped the brand a few years back and the trademark reverted* to the heirs of a former Piel's executive (NOT an actual Piel family member). Supposedly it is being contract-brewed at Captain Lawrence but seeing only local NYS distribution.
    Piels Beer
    See also the thread Piels Beer - coming back to NY

    * Unlike most heritage brands that are now owned by other breweries, the Piel's brand after their breweries closed appears to have always been owned by the Hawkes family and succeeding brewers (Schaefer, Stroh and then Pabst) paid a royalty to them. Pabst apparently found that to be no longer worth it.
     
  14. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,036) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    I miss Schaefer too. It was distributed to Casper a long time ago. Last Schaefer I saw was the Light.
     
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  15. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Schmitty tall boys was popular as is one I missed above, Rolling Rock, especially in the Pony bottles.
     
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  16. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    I really do love Champagne Velvet but don't think it's worth the NYC prices I was paying (like $3 a can :thinking_face:).

    It's not just the type of hops, but the amount used that makes all the difference, imo. The reason that most modern AALs come across as so insipid is due to the steady decline of IBUs over the past few decades; but compare one to a brand that still has a nice hop punch for the style (like Naragansett or Hamm's) and you'll see the difference right away.
     
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  17. papposilenus

    papposilenus Grand Pooh-Bah (3,232) Jun 21, 2014 New Hampshire
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    Pretty much this.

    It would have been the mid-1960’s when I first tasted beer. I was 5 or 6 years old and my Uncle Andy let me have a chug of his Schlitz while my mother’s back was turned.

    It’s a real stretch but I think Narragansett (hi neighbor!) tastes to me the most like I remember beer tasting in the mid-to-late twentieth century (thus spake the animated fossil).
     
  18. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    My dad let me have a drink when I was about 6 (1966) knowing full well how I'd react. (BTW -- probably either Falstaff or Drewery's)

    All I can remember is bitterness and harsh carbonation.

    But neither of us have tasted PRE-prohibition beer.
     
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  19. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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  20. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    You calling Jack old enough to remember pre-prohibition beer? :joy:
     
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