BJCP category question.

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  1. hojo813

    hojo813 Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2018 Virginia

    I am entering a homebrew competition (finally) in August and need help placing my stout. I made a Russian imperial stout last year and put in oak chips that had been soaked in whiskey to simulate a barrel aged beer. It was only in there for a few weeks. It's been bottled for about 15 months. Quite tasty I must say!

    The competition is going by 2015 BJCP guidelines. So which category would be best? 20c is RIS. 33A is wood aged. I don't want to mess it up and put it in the wrong category. Because everyone I have given it to loves this beer, including owners of local breweries. A friend finally convinced me to put my toes in the water. I'm entering two other beers but this one I don't know what to do.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated
     
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  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    If the wood character is noticeable, but whiskey character is not, enter in 33A. If both are evident, enter in 33B. If neither is evident, enter in 20C. If in doubt, enter in two or all three of the categories, unless specifically prohibited.
     
  3. hojo813

    hojo813 Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2018 Virginia

    See that's the thing.... We have to submit three bottles and that's all I have left. I haven't drank it in probably 4 months and the character has changed I'm sure. But from what I remember there was a slight whiff of the whiskey and you can definitely taste the oak. That much I know for sure. And some vanilla. So I can't sample anywhere I'm screwed. And I can only enter under one category. This is the dilemma
     
  4. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    33B

    Or if it's good, don't give up your last 3 bottles, just enjoy it yourself.
     
  5. makisupapolice14

    makisupapolice14 Pundit (799) Jun 5, 2005 New York

    Exactly. Re-brew for the future and enter accordingly/appropriately when you are sure what category it best fits. You will be disappointed if you spend the money and give away your last three bottles and score poorly due to it being entered into the wrong category. I know from experience.
     
  6. hojo813

    hojo813 Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2018 Virginia

    I've already brewed it again. It just will not be ready until late fall. I don't care about losing. I know this beer is phenomenal. I just want to get good feedback
     
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  7. hojo813

    hojo813 Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2018 Virginia

    Just to let everybody know, I got a silver medal in my category. The bourbon had indeed faded and that was the main complaint. I should have entered it in 33A like @VikeMan said.

    Got 4th for my Honey DIPA as well. Thanks to all that has helped me





    But I'm ecstatic.
     
  8. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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    That's awesome, congratulations. :beers:
     
  9. skivtjerry

    skivtjerry Pooh-Bah (1,865) Mar 10, 2006 Vermont
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    Of course, now we all want to see the recipe...:grin:
     
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  10. hojo813

    hojo813 Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2018 Virginia

    Which one????? I don't mind sharing. I have a beer Smith file if you want
     
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  11. skivtjerry

    skivtjerry Pooh-Bah (1,865) Mar 10, 2006 Vermont
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    The RIS
     
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  12. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    Yes, congrats and the recipe would be nice to see.
     
  13. hojo813

    hojo813 Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2018 Virginia

    @skivtjerry @GormBrewhouse
    Would you like the beer Smith file? Or print
     
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  14. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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    For those of us who are less than user-savvy with Beersmith, is there a way to 'publish' the recipe there and then provide a link here so others to view it?

    A couple other options:
    Post the grain bill, mash schedule, hops, boil time, yeast, etc. and other pertinent info in this thread.
    Post the recipe in the Homebrew Recipes forum. The first thread in that forum has a template for posting..
     
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  15. hojo813

    hojo813 Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2018 Virginia

    I can do that. I'll do it tomorrow sometime or this weekend. It's a very big beer! It was over a year and a half old when I entered it. I think the bourbon wasn't noticeable anymore so they gigged me and I got second instead of first. This beer goes from grain to glass at 10 months minimum. I've started doing it every winter. I will Brew in January and package in February and then enjoy in the winter time.
     
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  16. skivtjerry

    skivtjerry Pooh-Bah (1,865) Mar 10, 2006 Vermont
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    No preference, whatever is easy for you.
     
  17. skivtjerry

    skivtjerry Pooh-Bah (1,865) Mar 10, 2006 Vermont
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    My wife is a huge fan of big stouts and I have not brewed one for 3 years. Time to get going.
     
  18. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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  19. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    What the hell, Jerry? No stouts , in vt, in da winter.
     
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  20. hojo813

    hojo813 Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2018 Virginia

    @GormBrewhouse @skivtjerry @riptorn
    Here we go...


    "Russian Collusion"
    Russian imperial stout
    2021 Dominion Cup Silver Medal 33A
    5G batch. All grain
    66IBU 9.9%ABV
    1.091 SG
    1.017 FG

    Grain Bill
    12lb Maris Otter malt
    12oz Cholate malt
    12oz roasted barley
    8oz crystal extra dark 120L
    8oz caramel 10
    8oz golden naked oats
    5.3oz brown malt

    Mash in at 151F for 60min
    I do an optional protein rest for 10min after

    60 minute boil

    Hops
    1.5oz Nugget Hops (First Wort Hop) 60min
    0.5oz Northern Brewer 30min
    1lb Belgian Candi sugar (solid) 15min
    Whirlfloc tablet 15min
    1oz E. Kent Holdings 5min

    2packs S-05 yeast to highly oxygenated beer. I use a tank from Lowe's.

    Ferment at 66°F for 2 days.
    Raise temperature 2° until reaching 70°F.
    Add more oxygen after this 4 days.
    Ferment for 3 weeks total. This is a big beer so the yeast needs to clean up.

    Soak 1.5 pint glass of JD smoking chips in whiskey for 3 weeks. Then add to beer for 2 weeks after PF complete.

    Variation 1: skip chips and add 15oz cold steeped coffee a few days before bottling

    1/2tsp dry yeast added to bottling bucket. Keep priming sugar the same. I bottle this beer because it has to age. If you have an extra keg, you could rack to that and possibly put the chips in the keg in a bag.

    I would wait at least 6months before tasting. It changes with time...for the better.

    Cheers!

    I will be happy to answer any questions
     
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