Proposed CAN Size To Alleviate Current CANcerns

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  1. woodychandler

    woodychandler Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,184) Apr 9, 2004 Pennsylvania
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    I am CANurrently drinking a Rodenbach Fruitage in a CANned serving size of a whopping 8.5-fl oz (~ 250 ml) that came in a SlimLine CAN!

    At one point, the SlimLines were thought to be the cylinder of the future, but only SixPoint (& a handful of others) bought into the Red Bull CANcept. 8=( They make for easy storage, given height vs. width/girth, but they just did not catch on.

    The CANQuest (tm) was disheartened by this turn of events, but forged ahead in the face of all opposition.

    Lately, we have been faced with a worldwide shortage of aluminum with which to make new CANs, precipitating a greater demand for bauxite ore, which is incredibly tough on the planet, given its mining process.

    There has also been two (2) disturbing trends - 1) a shift to 16-fl oz pint CANs & a reversion to glass bottles since Al CANs are unavailable. Both strike me as grossly UNSAT! First, who CAN get through CANy quantity of DIPAs & TIPAs in a pint format, CANned or otherwise? It is far too much of a good thing & CAN lead to unwanted drunkenness when a simple partaking was on the menu. SeCANdly, haven't we learned the folly of bottles? There is a reason that The CANQuest (tm) has emerged triumphant. This represents a major step backwards!

    My soCANlution? Put ALL craft beers in these 8.5-fl oz (~ 250 ml) SlimLine CANs, at least for the foreseeable future. It is a reasonable quantity of beer, even for a Barleywine or an RIS, plus it would be highly transportable as well as taking up much less room on the shelf, allowing for more different beers to be produced & marketed.

    The CANQuest (tm) has spoken.
     
  2. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    8.5 ounces, same price per six-pack, no doubt. :rolling_eyes:
     
  3. jonphisher

    jonphisher Grand Pooh-Bah (3,850) Aug 9, 2015 New Jersey
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    You should change your handle to woodyCANdler :stuck_out_tongue:
     
  4. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    I saw a ad (Print? Video?) the other day where Ball (one of the few US beverage can manufacturers) is selling aluminum cups to compete with the horrible mostly-red (but some blue - no idea if it's a political choice) plastic cups, promoting them as being both reusable and recylcable.

    First thing I thought was, "Hey, WTF - I thought aluminum for cans was in short supply - and you're introducing a new product?"

    https://www.ball.com/aluminumcups

    As for the OP - doesn't the larger can contain less aluminum per ounce? Seems to me going smaller is a waste of aluminum.

    Home School Science Class Experiment
    (Weighted on an antique Ohaus scale - accuracy unknown?):

    7.5 ounce (Pepsi) = 13 grams
    12 ounce (Anchor) = 15 grams
    16 ounce (Ind. Arts - adhesive label peeled off) = 19 grams
     
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  5. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Yeah, the smaller cans would lead to more aluminum usage, not less. Lets say we have a gallon of beer to package. That would be 8 16oz cans, 10.6 12ozers, and 14.7 8.7oz cans. That's just for the cans. Each can also needs a lid. Add in @jesskidden 's math above, and it takes roughly 2 mini cans to equal a tallboy, which seems to be the choice of a new generation. And, the lids are thicker than the cans, so two lids for the smaller format would use more aluminum than 1 for 12 or 16 oz cans.
     
  6. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    So clearly, all beer into 24 oz cans!
     
  7. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    I prefer 15.5 gallon reusable cans made of stainless steel.
     
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  8. BillAfromSoCal

    BillAfromSoCal Pooh-Bah (2,415) Aug 24, 2020 California
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    I agree with other commenters....smaller cans = more Al per volume of beer. However, I also strongly agree with the OP's opinion that smaller volumes are preferred for some of the really nice high-ABV beers. I can live with a 12 oz, but I would absolutely love some of the high ABV barrel-aged stouts in a 8-9 oz format. In the absence of that I have to wait for the rare moments when Mrs. BillA wants to share 16 oz.
     
  9. tolar111

    tolar111 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,094) Aug 17, 2008 New York
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    Has anyone weighed the various can sizes to see what the differences are between large and small cans?
     
  10. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Post #4 in this thread.
     
  11. tolar111

    tolar111 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,094) Aug 17, 2008 New York
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    Really! I must have missed that. How much does a 12oz can weigh? Or a AB 25oz can and those craft imperial pint cans?
     
  12. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    I like those too but I have a hard time being discreet with them when I'm at the playground with my kids
     
  13. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Go down to the local thrift store and they'll likely have one of these:
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  14. Junior

    Junior Pooh-Bah (1,883) May 23, 2015 Michigan
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    I went to a restaurant once that served all drinks in stainless steel cups. It was horrible. I just could not handle the metallic taste and feel. Luckily they had some glasses in the back.
     
  15. StoutElk_92

    StoutElk_92 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,045) Oct 30, 2015 Massachusetts
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    I would like to see more 8oz and small containers too. You can always open another one if you want it.
     
  16. deanzaZZR

    deanzaZZR Maven (1,347) Jan 8, 2015 California

    Choice is good I suppose but I do not see myself ever purchasing a 135ml (4.5 oz) can of beer. [​IMG]
     
  17. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    I CAN't get behind that. Clearly 16oz cans are superior doses in most cases. I've gotten so used to them, that I feel robbed drinking 12oz doses. I CAN understand the need for smaller doses of really strong beers, but I just CAN't do beer shots.
     
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  18. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    If the math side of my brain is working right today, taking these numbers a step further, that means around 1.75 grams of aluminum per ounce for the 7.5 oz can of Pepsi (which I think is heavier than beer so the number may be a little lower); 1.25 grams of Al per oz for the 12 oz can of Anchor beer; and around 1.2 grams of Al per oz in a 16 oz can of the Ind. Arts beer. Clearly the 7.5 can is wasteful for the small amount of liquid it holds.
     
  19. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    My solution is use more bottles. I love cans and for me the have a time and place but I love bottles too. No reason to move so many beers to cans only.
     
  20. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    No. The 12oz format is perfection.
     
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