Proposed CAN Size To Alleviate Current CANcerns

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by woodychandler, Jun 9, 2021.

  1. woodychandler

    woodychandler Poo-Bah (11,943) Apr 9, 2004 Pennsylvania
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    I am CANurrently drinking a Rodenbach Fruitage in a CANned serving size of a whopping 8.5-fl oz (~ 250 ml) that came in a SlimLine CAN!

    At one point, the SlimLines were thought to be the cylinder of the future, but only SixPoint (& a handful of others) bought into the Red Bull CANcept. 8=( They make for easy storage, given height vs. width/girth, but they just did not catch on.

    The CANQuest (tm) was disheartened by this turn of events, but forged ahead in the face of all opposition.

    Lately, we have been faced with a worldwide shortage of aluminum with which to make new CANs, precipitating a greater demand for bauxite ore, which is incredibly tough on the planet, given its mining process.

    There has also been two (2) disturbing trends - 1) a shift to 16-fl oz pint CANs & a reversion to glass bottles since Al CANs are unavailable. Both strike me as grossly UNSAT! First, who CAN get through CANy quantity of DIPAs & TIPAs in a pint format, CANned or otherwise? It is far too much of a good thing & CAN lead to unwanted drunkenness when a simple partaking was on the menu. SeCANdly, haven't we learned the folly of bottles? There is a reason that The CANQuest (tm) has emerged triumphant. This represents a major step backwards!

    My soCANlution? Put ALL craft beers in these 8.5-fl oz (~ 250 ml) SlimLine CANs, at least for the foreseeable future. It is a reasonable quantity of beer, even for a Barleywine or an RIS, plus it would be highly transportable as well as taking up much less room on the shelf, allowing for more different beers to be produced & marketed.

    The CANQuest (tm) has spoken.
     
  2. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (2,963) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    8.5 ounces, same price per six-pack, no doubt. :rolling_eyes:
     
  3. jonphisher

    jonphisher Zealot (518) Aug 9, 2015 New Jersey
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    You should change your handle to woodyCANdler :stuck_out_tongue:
     
  4. jesskidden

    jesskidden Poo-Bah (2,201) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    I saw a ad (Print? Video?) the other day where Ball (one of the few US beverage can manufacturers) is selling aluminum cups to compete with the horrible mostly-red (but some blue - no idea if it's a political choice) plastic cups, promoting them as being both reusable and recylcable.

    First thing I thought was, "Hey, WTF - I thought aluminum for cans was in short supply - and you're introducing a new product?"

    https://www.ball.com/aluminumcups

    As for the OP - doesn't the larger can contain less aluminum per ounce? Seems to me going smaller is a waste of aluminum.

    Home School Science Class Experiment
    (Weighted on an antique Ohaus scale - accuracy unknown?):

    7.5 ounce (Pepsi) = 13 grams
    12 ounce (Anchor) = 15 grams
    16 ounce (Ind. Arts - adhesive label peeled off) = 19 grams
     
  5. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Poo-Bah (8,563) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Yeah, the smaller cans would lead to more aluminum usage, not less. Lets say we have a gallon of beer to package. That would be 8 16oz cans, 10.6 12ozers, and 14.7 8.7oz cans. That's just for the cans. Each can also needs a lid. Add in @jesskidden 's math above, and it takes roughly 2 mini cans to equal a tallboy, which seems to be the choice of a new generation. And, the lids are thicker than the cans, so two lids for the smaller format would use more aluminum than 1 for 12 or 16 oz cans.
     
  6. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Poo-Bah (1,801) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    So clearly, all beer into 24 oz cans!
     
  7. Todd

    Todd Founder (6,244) Aug 23, 1996 California
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    I prefer 15.5 gallon reusable cans made of stainless steel.
     
  8. BillAfromSoCal

    BillAfromSoCal Aspirant (252) Aug 24, 2020 California

    I agree with other commenters....smaller cans = more Al per volume of beer. However, I also strongly agree with the OP's opinion that smaller volumes are preferred for some of the really nice high-ABV beers. I can live with a 12 oz, but I would absolutely love some of the high ABV barrel-aged stouts in a 8-9 oz format. In the absence of that I have to wait for the rare moments when Mrs. BillA wants to share 16 oz.
     
  9. tolar111

    tolar111 Zealot (575) Aug 17, 2008 New York

    Has anyone weighed the various can sizes to see what the differences are between large and small cans?
     
  10. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Poo-Bah (8,563) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Post #4 in this thread.
     
  11. tolar111

    tolar111 Zealot (575) Aug 17, 2008 New York

    Really! I must have missed that. How much does a 12oz can weigh? Or a AB 25oz can and those craft imperial pint cans?
     
  12. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Poo-Bah (1,801) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    I like those too but I have a hard time being discreet with them when I'm at the playground with my kids
     
  13. jesskidden

    jesskidden Poo-Bah (2,201) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Go down to the local thrift store and they'll likely have one of these:
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  14. Junior

    Junior Crusader (798) May 23, 2015 Michigan
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    I went to a restaurant once that served all drinks in stainless steel cups. It was horrible. I just could not handle the metallic taste and feel. Luckily they had some glasses in the back.
     
  15. StoutElk_92

    StoutElk_92 Poo-Bah (3,151) Oct 30, 2015 Massachusetts
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    I would like to see more 8oz and small containers too. You can always open another one if you want it.
     
  16. deanzaZZR

    deanzaZZR Initiate (164) Jan 8, 2015 California

    Choice is good I suppose but I do not see myself ever purchasing a 135ml (4.5 oz) can of beer. [​IMG]
     
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  17. bbtkd

    bbtkd Poo-Bah (13,144) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    I CAN't get behind that. Clearly 16oz cans are superior doses in most cases. I've gotten so used to them, that I feel robbed drinking 12oz doses. I CAN understand the need for smaller doses of really strong beers, but I just CAN't do beer shots.
     
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  18. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Poo-Bah (3,092) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    If the math side of my brain is working right today, taking these numbers a step further, that means around 1.75 grams of aluminum per ounce for the 7.5 oz can of Pepsi (which I think is heavier than beer so the number may be a little lower); 1.25 grams of Al per oz for the 12 oz can of Anchor beer; and around 1.2 grams of Al per oz in a 16 oz can of the Ind. Arts beer. Clearly the 7.5 can is wasteful for the small amount of liquid it holds.
     
  19. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Defender (672) Mar 28, 2009 California

    My solution is use more bottles. I love cans and for me the have a time and place but I love bottles too. No reason to move so many beers to cans only.
     
  20. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Poo-Bah (8,563) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    No. The 12oz format is perfection.
     
  21. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Defender (672) Mar 28, 2009 California

    it really is. Perfect for a solo pour and if you do get a high abv and want to split it with a friend 6 ozs is nice too. Also, if you don’t want to split it i can drink 12ozs if pretty much anything.
     
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  22. JayORear

    JayORear Meyvn (1,317) Feb 22, 2012 Pennsylvania
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    I've never understood this all-caps "can" thing, but I know it makes me unreasonably irritated. Can someone explain it to me? Or am I just asking for it?
     
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  23. MNAle

    MNAle Poo-Bah (2,087) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota
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    Red v Blue as a political shorthand is quite recent. It originated (IIRC) from the TV talking heads election maps in perhaps the 2000 election and went from there. Red solo cups for beer is a tradition at least 50-60 years old.

    Look at me... pretending to inform jk about history! The nerve! The audacity! :astonished:

    ... slap down impending... :cold_sweat:
     
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  24. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Poo-Bah (7,675) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    It's Woody. He's the beer CAN man. As opposed to being trash can man. He likes to start fires. :wink:
     
  25. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Poo-Bah (8,563) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Woody substitutes the word can where he CAN. It's all part of the CANquest. Any more CANstions?
     
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  26. moodenba

    moodenba Devotee (442) Feb 2, 2015 New York

    The 8.5 can might satisfy your needs, but really what problem would uniform 8.5 oz cans solve? There are too many brands on the market now (I can't keep track). Lack of choice isn't a problem. 8.5 is OK for strong beer, but some of us like something near 5%. Small container cost a lot more to fill and use more resources (for equivalent volumes of beer) than larger ones. If you were to buy bottles, you would be able to stopper leftover beers with some marginal loss of carbonation. If you have a dinner party, crowler sized containers might be good. My preferences in container size and packaging do influence my purchasing: growlers, 12 cans, 12 bottles, 1/2 liter bottles . . . depending. But probably not 8.5 cans.
     
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  27. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (2,963) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    It's like one of those quirks your weird uncle has. You just nod and put together his point with the rest of the words. :wink:

    Sorry Woody -- you're really the best. :grin:
     
  28. chipawayboy

    chipawayboy Devotee (449) Oct 26, 2007 Massachusetts
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    Woody your soCANlution (that doesn’t work BTW) ignores the fact that we are currently living in a free market eCONomy (that almost works) and brewers are going to use the most profitable vessel most of the time. Cheers dude.
     
  29. moodenba

    moodenba Devotee (442) Feb 2, 2015 New York

    You are providing common-sense evidence of the industry's can configuration rationale.The beverage can manufacturers have all this figured out to the last tenth of a cent per can. They minimize the costs by calculating the height/diameter ratio to provide maximum volume for least aluminum area. They also want to minimize the closure diameter, thus the necking at the top. In the past we've rarely seen special can shapes (early on 11 and 12 oz slim Coors, then Hamms Draft, more recently from Sapporo). The 12 oz can is standard for a good reason.
     
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  30. woodychandler

    woodychandler Poo-Bah (11,943) Apr 9, 2004 Pennsylvania
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    I tried, anyway. I am a beer CANnoiseur, not a mathematician. I appreciate the (obviously much greater) thoughtfulness that went into so CANy responses. I suppose that I shall stick to drinking & writing as opposed to engineering.

    For those late to the party, The CANQuest (tm) was initiated in early-Winter 2004 in response to a ChANllenge from Late-Night Beer Advocate (LNBA). I was told to find something more universally available when I disliked that forum's focus on whalez. I hit upon CANned beers when such were an CANomoly & immediately seized upon it as my Quixote-like mission. That is, to photograph, drink, rate & review EVERY CANned beer in existence.

    I was roundly scoffed at, laughed at, pointed at & ridiculed (& that was just my mother), but my persistence has paid off - today, only Russ Phillips of the coffee-table book Craft Cans & I are recognized as the early-adopters of the format for craft beer.

    I have seen so many early detractors fall by the wayside that it is unimaginable. The most glaring is xx of xxx xxx who has come under fire for blatant sexual harassment. He beCAN a series of EXTREMELY-limited CAN releases at one point & when I eschewed them, he inquired as to my reasoning. I replied that I was simply saving his for last, sending him into an apoplectic fit!

    Why all-CAPs? Because CANned beers are THAT important to me. The puns? I am an inveterate punster & educator who beCAN every class meeting with "Mr. C.'s Pun of the Day".

    It is always nice to engage on here in an ocCANsional manor. My reviewing days are behind me, but I CANtinue to add beers, Notes & CANy pictures as I believe that this is a wonderful archival site. Now, I simply check-in on Untappd (& if you don't like the puns here, DON'T look at my acCANt there!).

    I leave you with The Beer Monk's Rap:

    Y'all know me
    My name is Woody
    I go from town to town
    I really get around
    They used to call me The Beer Pest (C)
    'Cause I like to go to fests
    I was just at Goose Island
    Man, they got at me
    'Til I couldn't stand!
    Peace, babies, I'm out, yo!

    'Cause
     
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  31. Chaz

    Chaz Poo-Bah (2,178) Feb 3, 2002 Minnesota
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    I bought myself some of them thar aluminum cups and they are great! Keep nicely chilled, and very easy to recycle.
     
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  32. moodenba

    moodenba Devotee (442) Feb 2, 2015 New York

    quixotic, to say the least. I was a beer acquirer/taster in the early 70's, and that was also quixotic, so I can sympathize.
     
  33. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Poo-Bah (1,834) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    The answer is to bring back the 40oz.
     
  34. Ranbot

    Ranbot Defender (652) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania

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  35. HorseheadsHophead

    HorseheadsHophead Poo-Bah (2,248) Sep 15, 2014 New York
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    I've advocated for 8 oz cans for high abv beers for years. 16 oz is way too much for anything over 10-11%. Even 12 oz is a bit much.
     
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  36. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Poo-Bah (1,707) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    Ha, this was good.
     
  37. micada

    micada Defender (669) Jul 13, 2015 New York
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    Go glass or go home. There is a lot of sand.
     
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  38. russpowell

    russpowell Poo-Bah (11,042) May 24, 2005 Arkansas
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    I was gonnna say mini Kegs like Bells & such, but Todd above speaks the truth!
     
  39. russpowell

    russpowell Poo-Bah (11,042) May 24, 2005 Arkansas
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    That's where those high dollar water containers come in handy, for all the they know, you are drinking water... initially at least...
     
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  40. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Poo-Bah (8,563) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    FTFY.
     
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