Did COVID kill flights? If so, do you care?

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Do you need a traditional flight experience when trying a new brewery?

  1. No, unlimited small pours (4-6oz) a la carte works fine for me

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  2. Yes, I prefer the traditional flight setup

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  1. Immortale25

    Immortale25 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,775) May 13, 2011 North Carolina
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    I can't recall a single time post-quarantine that I've asked the question at a brewery "Do you do flights?" and had the answer be "Yes." It seems that, since flights are not very fitting for a super sanitary environment, plus they hold up lines at a busy bar, that most breweries have eschewed them and seen little to no reason to go back. However, I'd say at least half the time I ask, they're perfectly happy to give as many small pours (4-6oz) at a time, or at least do half pours. Personally, I could care less about a large amount of small pours being given to me on a board or paddle, which is often cumbersome or precarious to carry, with all the names of the beers written next to them. My ideal scenario is carrying three 6 oz pours at a time in a triangle formation to my table and just remembering which is which (which is what I'm currently doing at Funk Factory Geuzeria, yum). I don't need more than 18 oz of beer at a time. So what say you? Do you prefer the traditional board + signifier setup or are you cool with the more self-sufficient approach? Also, which breweries can you name that still do the traditional setup?
     
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  2. Beersnake

    Beersnake Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,884) Aug 17, 2013 California
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    Interesting. Every brewery around here (that I have visited) still does flights. I don't really get them, so I really wouldn't be upset if they disappeared.
     
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  3. DrStiffington

    DrStiffington Grand Pooh-Bah (3,740) Oct 27, 2010 New Jersey
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    Flights are back. I did one at both Kane and Carton in NJ today.
     
  4. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    I am a full pour guy. I’d rather have a full beer or two then a bunch of little pours. Rather take a chance then have just a few ounces of a beer I like.

    I love when places have 8 or 10 oz options. Alesmith and Sierra Nevada do those sizes or something close, which I think is great.
     
  5. BillAfromSoCal

    BillAfromSoCal Pooh-Bah (2,415) Aug 24, 2020 California
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    My experience is mixed. Last week I had a very nice conventional flight of 5 beers but they also sold flight-sized glasses one at a time. On the other hand, about 4 months ago I was at another brewery where they ONLY did 16 oz and ONLY in those god-forsaken plastic cups like Solo cups. They claimed the covid thing terminated (at least temporarily) their use of glassware and flights. I'm not drinking a nice craft brew out of a plastic cup at a brewery. I'm happy to buy 4-6 oz small glasses to try a couple beers until I learn what is the best offering.
     
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  6. morimech

    morimech Grand Pooh-Bah (3,803) Nov 6, 2006 Minnesota
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    Still do it around here. At a brewery they hate filling flights especially if there are people waiting. Just ask for a sample. Much easier even if you ask for several and saves everyone time.
     
  7. beerjerk666

    beerjerk666 Grand Pooh-Bah (5,155) Aug 22, 2010 Florida
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    I love it when flights are offered.
    Tasting 4-6 or even more at a time so you can get a decent representation of what the brewery has to offer between styles or even within the style.
    That way when, sometimes if, you return you know what you're getting a full pour of...so would you prefer several small disappointments or winners or several large ones?
    They could be all winners, but I am a cynic by nature.
     
  8. RaulMondesi

    RaulMondesi Grand Pooh-Bah (5,343) Dec 11, 2006 California
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    What’s unsanitary about flights? You order 4 of them, drink them, and move on. What I never liked is when a bar uses your empty, dirty glass to fill up your next beer (even if you ordered the same beer). I also hope they don’t use a dirty glass while using the water rinse (saw that post covid at beer festivals). I’m also not a fan of the use the same glass all night, pour your own beer places.
     
  9. dcotom

    dcotom Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,637) Aug 4, 2014 Iowa
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    Although I do nearly all of my drinking at home, I do like having the option of a flight when I visit a brewhouse. They've pretty much always been available around here, SCAMdemic be damned.

    No one has ever tried to serve me a flight in plastic cups. I figure anyone who would do this doesn't care too much about their beer.
     
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  10. Reidrover

    Reidrover Grand Pooh-Bah (4,886) Jan 14, 2003 Oregon
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    Why would I do flights i can request a free sample pour of any beer i want to try
     
  11. honkey

    honkey Maven (1,350) Aug 28, 2010 Arizona
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    Weird. Arizona breweries are still doing flights and I just had a heavy travel schedule that included trips to Portland, OR and to D.C. and all the breweries there were still doing them as well
     
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  12. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I write Place reviews of new-to-me breweries, and I want to make a comment as accurate as I can about the overall quality of the beers. The only way to do that without over-indulging is to drink a flight that I think is representative of their line-up of beers. I didn't visit as many breweries during COVID as my normal schedule, but I did find one place that stopped serving flights because of the pandemic.

    So I voted that I need flights to be able to do what I like to do. However, rarely do I order a flight at a known brewery.
     
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  13. MistaRyte

    MistaRyte Pooh-Bah (2,681) Jan 14, 2008 Virginia
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    God, I hope so (that COVID killed flights). Because flights inhibit progress... of me getting my beer... is >=1 people in front of me are ordering a flight.
     
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  14. dennisthreeninefiveone

    dennisthreeninefiveone Pundit (980) Aug 11, 2020 New Jersey
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    I rarely buy flights myself but all the breweries close by seem to be offering them.
     
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  15. Giantspace

    Giantspace Grand Pooh-Bah (3,043) Dec 22, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    Still serving them here. I don’t like them as you pay a premium to get 4 smaller pours. I can ask for a sample taste if unsure of a beer. A local I go to is always good so I order by the menu description. Never had one I was upset with.

    It does bother me that folks get upset over others ordering flights. If that bothers you go to a bar that does not offer them. The brewery offers them to pour or they would not have them on the menu.

    Enjoy
     
  16. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    I've still seen plenty of places offering flights, both bars and breweries. The places that haven't seem to be newer spots: places that never offered flights in the first place, rather than changed things due to the pandemic.

    (Side note: I'm not really sure what's more sanitary about multiple small pours one at a time, instead of four or five at once.)

    A flight can be convenient at a bar, especially if you're drinking far away from where you order (e.g. outside patio), or to minimize the amount of trips you need to make. Beyond that, I don't particularly care; in most scenarios, I'm perfectly fine ordering one or two small pours, and revisiting - in fact, I often do that even when I'm not in a tasting-and-sampling mood: when given the choice between tall and short pours, I almost always choose short. I'd rather enjoy every last sip of the beer, and then move on to another, than sit there with a lager or IPA growing warm, wondering why, exactly, I needed 22 ounces ... :wink:
     
  17. Immortale25

    Immortale25 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,775) May 13, 2011 North Carolina
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    Yes, I definitely can't stand the inverse problem. I went to SF for the first time recently and I was pretty bummed that Toronado does this. Yeah, they can get away with it because of their reputation, but with the awesome lineup they always have, it's like c'mon, at least do half pours.
     
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  18. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Sadly, fucking taster trays are still a thing around here. I wish they'd go away. Such a pain in the ass.
     
  19. Immortale25

    Immortale25 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,775) May 13, 2011 North Carolina
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    All right, so I guess it's just been luck of the draw as I've been travelling to various breweries in a few different states that none of them have been offering flights, leading to a misperception. But, sticking with the overall query of the poll, I maintain that things like what's pictured below are unnecessary and, in the latter case, downright excessive
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    Above is a flight at Catawba Brewing's Asheville taproom. Good for a novelty and decently easy to carry, but a bit much IMO
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    And here's the famous (though probably infamous to some, like the staff) flight board at Russian River. Do you have any idea how long it must take to build one of those things? I've never been there, but it must drive the wait times for service up dramatically whenever multie of these are ordered within a short time-span

    I know these are extreme examples and I understand that things like these can serve a practical purpose for non-geeks, tourists who just wanna check out the craft beer thing. @RaulMondesi @Roguer I think one of the reasons flights are unsanitary is if you think about a group of ppl all taking sips out of these large sampler boards, that's quite a bit less sanitary than everyone having their own dedicated round of flight pours

    You can still do that by just ordering 3 or 4 flight pours at a time

    Bottom line: I think traditional flights of more than 6 beers is tedious and time-consuming. But then again, this is also coming from a guy who has had to build many a-flight myself, so I'm admittedly biased
     
  20. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    I get the idea, and certainly the optics, but it just doesn't seem to be a very valid concern.

    No one is drinking off the boards themselves. No one is stopping the bar from sanitizing the boards (the glasses similarly are being reused regardless, and must be sanitized, regardless of format). Most places offering flights have enough boards to rotate through and spray them down without issue. The only complaint would be time, which echoes complaints about flights in general - with or without Covid concerns.

    It doesn't seem any less sanitary than the bar or table itself, or the various door handles that every patron must touch, not just those ordering flights - and again, those boards can easily be cleaned behind the bar, and much more consistently than all of the tables, handles, chairs, railings, etc. You sanitize the board after every patron; do they do that for every door knob after every person goes to the bathroom? (They do not.)

    On the contrary, are you still seeing bars and breweries diligently spraying down and sanitizing tables and surfaces after each patron? Are they spacing people out at the bar? I'm not really seeing much of that anymore.

    Point being: if a brewery is afraid of transmitting Covid, in particular, from a tasting board, but they're letting people sit right next to each other, then they're more concerned with the optics than with actual risk. Even if they space out groups, again, the other various surfaces of the bar/brewery should be just as much a concern as a tasting board, if not more.

    This should be a non-issue. :slight_smile:
     
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