Bad Trader: ClayMathieu

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  1. Bhubbard34

    Bhubbard34 Pooh-Bah (2,585) Mar 4, 2016 Pennsylvania
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    Really don’t want to start one of these, but not sure where else to post this so here goes. This is not necessarily a bad trader per se, but a bad proxy, and basically just want to give everyone a heads up on trader ClayMathieu, and be careful in dealings with him.

    I posted in early December, looking for a proxy for Funky Buddah and their Morning Wood release box, which took place the weekend of January 15. This was 4 (4) packs of 4 diff beers. ClayMathieu (CM) agreed to pick up for me and mail in exchange for some ty beers of my choice.

    Since agreeing to pick up the beers, communication has been poor on his part imo. As the pickup wkd approached I had to message him more than once to verify he’d still grab them for me. Eventually he responded saying he’d gotten Covid the week before, but would have his friend who worked there pick them up the Monday after release (Jan 17). Fine. Apparently this happened as I received an email from Funky Buddah my order had been completed, although I had to message a few days later to confirm with him. He agreed to get them packed up and ship asap. At this point I told him to just confirm with me before shipping due to cold temps.

    About two weeks later, and hearing from him, On Feb 7, I messaged him asking if the box was ready to go as the next few days looked warmer to ship. I got no response. I again messaged him on Feb 12, and on Feb 13 he responded saying he would ship the next day, Monday the 14th. He asked if I wanted to send him a label or just reimburse for shipping. I responded right away saying either was fine, but if he wanted a label just let me know box dimensions. I did not hear back.

    On the 15th, (now a month since the release pickup) I asked if he got the box out, and got no response. I messaged again on the 18th, and again no response. I again messaged this past Thursday and again no response. I’ve been monitoring when he’s been active and did not look like he was since saying he’d ship on the 14th….until today. His last post was a FT/ISO on the 14th, the same day he said he’d ship, and never responded to wanting a label or reimbursement. Again, he signed on this morning it looks like, and I’ve gotten no messages from him, since Feb 13.

    I know, it’s not a typical “trade” but I do think this is post worthy as proxy’s are a thing now on BA, and at the very least should be a red flag on this trader.
     
  2. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
    Mod Team BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    Tagging @ClayMathieu so he is aware of this thread and can come here and explain what is going on.

    Proxying is still covered by trading, and if he fails to send you your beer, then is stealing to me, so you were right to start this thread @Bhubbard34.
     
  3. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
    Mod Team BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    @ClayMathieu has not been on since this thread was started so I am going to reach out to him in a PM.

    @Bhubbard34 have you heard from him? Do you have any way to contact him outside of BA?
     
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  4. Bhubbard34

    Bhubbard34 Pooh-Bah (2,585) Mar 4, 2016 Pennsylvania
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    Thank you @FBarber
    No I have not heard from him since Feb 13th. Unfortunately no, I have no other way to contact him. During our conversations I did ask him at least twice for his address to send ty beers to, but he did not provide it. The beers I purchased and he picked up we’re $70

    Below are screenshots of our last messages.

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  5. Resistance88

    Resistance88 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,462) Apr 9, 2015 California
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    Kinda your fault for trusting a noob and not vetting properly.

    I did Proxy for someone, but let him know he can reach out to Everyone i have traded with should he have any concerns.
    Your Dude had ONE trade and barely any history.
    That being said. Lesson learned and that guy sucks
     
  6. Bhubbard34

    Bhubbard34 Pooh-Bah (2,585) Mar 4, 2016 Pennsylvania
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    Lol my fault? How the hell am I supposed to vet him? Everyone is a new trader at some point. Had it been a regular trade I would’ve made him ship first and all, but not sure what else I could have done here. I needed a proxy and he literally was the only one that responded
     
  7. colby600

    colby600 Pooh-Bah (1,919) Mar 24, 2015 Connecticut
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    It's not your fault, some people just like to act like a dick.
     
  8. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
    Mod Team BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    It is not your fault.
     
  9. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
    Mod Team Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    I was looking at his posting history, and it doesn't appear as if he's very active on BA. Looks like there've been times when he's gone weeks and even months before logging on.

    So it may take some time for this to be resolved... if it's ever resolved.

    The only positive I see so far in all this is that he's still engaging the trading community (still trying to arrange trades). Hopefully, an interest in pursuing future trades on BA will be an incentive for him to take care of the OP (as an active BT tread is probably going to put a damper on that).
     
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  10. Bhubbard34

    Bhubbard34 Pooh-Bah (2,585) Mar 4, 2016 Pennsylvania
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    Update: another kind BA reached out to me this morning and sent me what is 99% probable his FB profile. From that it appears he either works at or is closely connected to a small brewery in Florida.

    This morning I 1.) sent him an email, 2.) sent him a FB message, and 3.) sent a FB message to the brewery. I have yet to hear back from either of these. However it’s more ways to contact him and he can’t claim “oh I don’t log into BA often so I didn’t know”

    Will update if I hear back from any of these things
     
  11. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    Sorry to read about this @Bhubbard34 , hopefully you can get it sorted out
     
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  12. Treyliff

    Treyliff Grand Pooh-Bah (5,025) Aug 10, 2010 West Virginia
    BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    I came here to make a post about @ClayMathieu, only to find that someone else was in the same boat. My store is almost identical to @Bhubbard34 . He agreed to pick up my Imperial Club bottles from 2021, as well as my MBCP box. He hasn't responded to any communication in about 3 weeks.
     
  13. Bhubbard34

    Bhubbard34 Pooh-Bah (2,585) Mar 4, 2016 Pennsylvania
    Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    Well well well……so we have a pattern….


    FWIW…I have not heard back from any FB or Emails to ClayMathieu or the brewery.

    Since it’s looking more and more like this guy is a thief…here’s his FB and the Brewery he appears to be connected to is Pareidolia

    https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1069410294

    @FBarber @John_M
     
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  14. treznor

    treznor Pooh-Bah (1,814) Dec 20, 2006 North Carolina
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    The bad trader thread explainer (https://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/how-to-create-a-bad-trader-thread.258091/) says to not post any personal information, which I'd say a facebook profile is. The guy uses his name as his BA name, so his name itself isn't personal information, but I'd say posting the FB thread is past the guidelines. The mods can give a definitive answer though of course.

    I still have hope for a successful resolution. Him having two people in the same situation at the same time isn't potentially the most damning of evidence as if something happened it'd probably affect both people the same. And facebook messages from people you aren't friends with go into an area of messenger that doesn't always give notifications and can be tough to find (at least, they were the last time I received a message from someone that wasn't a friend). So, I wouldn't give up just yet... but I agree it isn't an awesome set of circumstances.
     
  15. Bhubbard34

    Bhubbard34 Pooh-Bah (2,585) Mar 4, 2016 Pennsylvania
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    @treznor i understand what your saying….but Facebook is 100% public and searchable by anyone. There is not a signal personal thing about Facebook or your profile.
     
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  16. treznor

    treznor Pooh-Bah (1,814) Dec 20, 2006 North Carolina
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    I won't disagree, especially for someone that has used their name as their BA username (thus you also aren't doxxing him whatsoever). Its just a line that traditionally has been in place. I don't think we've ever actually seen a case, at least where I remember, that the BA name was the same as the person's name, which does change things somewhat.
     
  17. William_Navidson

    William_Navidson Pooh-Bah (1,557) May 1, 2015 Pennsylvania
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    This isn't new. I'm part of a small cost+shipping group on Facebook that he was a part of. In October of last year, it sounds like others were having a similar issue... but in the opposite direction. They picked up beers for Clay and then he ghosted them. Another guy chimed in to let them know that Clay did the same thing before... until they threatened to just treat the beers as forfeited, and then Clay of course responded immediately (but ghosted the proxy re: thank you beers).

    Wish I had something more constructive to add, sorry that this happened.
     
  18. sjguglielmo

    sjguglielmo Zealot (522) Aug 26, 2009 Minnesota
    Trader

    Sounds like it's time to call him out in some FB groups. I see that he's in several of the bigger groups. Put him on blast there. Some people will give you shit for posting about a problem that didn't originate in that group, and lots of people will join in for the entertainment value. But there's a decent chance that you'll get him to respond and send your beer. In any case, you'll be no worse off than you are here.
     
  19. Bhubbard34

    Bhubbard34 Pooh-Bah (2,585) Mar 4, 2016 Pennsylvania
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    Thanks @William_Navidson for the additional insight. Clay is clearly a POS and has no business being allowed in the beer trading communities.

    @sjguglielmo feel free to message me or post here some of those groups he’s in. I’ll put him on blast no problem. Dude needs called out as publicly as possible. I plan to call his brewery today when they open at noon. If he or others don’t like it oh well….don’t be a piece of shit.

    This community is amazing though as @BlackToothGrin has GENEROUSLY offered to send me some of the beers Clay failed to send, abs wants nothing for them. Amazing gesture!
     
  20. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
    Mod Team Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    Well, well, well.... I'm showing that the BT has logged on and is currently engaged in conversation with someone.
     
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