Craft beer predictions for 2022 from 2012

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  1. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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  2. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    @dukes actually predicted the DFH/BBC merger. Crazy!
     
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    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    @mychalg9 got his wish from 2012… “I’m hoping for a brewpub in every town in America.” I think that pretty much has come true.
     
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    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    @Lordquackingstic predicted KBS would be available 24/7. I think he was being sarcastic as it was a chased/line standing whale back in 2012, but that definitely came true.
     
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    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    I think @chcfan really hit a point that I’m think is the primary reason this US craft beer is still alive at a high level in 2023 vs falling apart pre-pandemic, 5+years ago which is the fact fhat in 2012, most people saw the explosion of breweries as offering fresh and local beer to local populations. At the scale the industry grew, this model alone would never have sustained but most all local brewers shifted to offering food, seltzers, light pages similar to macros, trivia nights etc where they are surviving not on the “drink local/drink fresh beer only model, but on the taproom or on-site experience. Not many people saw this pivot coming back in 2012. Combine that with most of the brewery startups in 2012 were making really bad craft beer, but most still around today have greatly improved the quality of their product since then.
     
  6. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    It would be interesting to see at what population threshold literally every town in America has at least one brewery/brewpub. I would guess about 50,000 but maybe it’s lower.
     
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    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Google says there are 798 cities (4.1% of the population) with 50,000 or more people, but no lost given. It would take some busy work to discover but it's doable.
     
  8. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    You’d need a sortable list of all cities above X population and a list of all breweries/brewpubs (call them “brewing establishments”) and their locations. Then cross-reference until you hit a town of X population that doesn’t support a single brewing establishment, and the population threshold just above that is your number. I’m not doing it. Maybe someone who knows how to use AI could figure it out.
     
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    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    At least in my area there are breweries closing or struggling that offer these things.

    That being said, these ancillary benefits are certainly some of the reasons brewery openings kept increasing.

    Again, at least in my area, there were virtually no "tap rooms" in 2012. If I recall, Nightshift might have been the first one when they opened their current Everett tap room in 2014. They had a very small warehouse "tap room" in 2012, but that wasn't what we know as "tap rooms" today. 2014 changed everything, and people began copying that model in and around Boston.

    I remember there were routinely lines to get in every weekend. Slowly this changed since other places that offered a similar experience opened up. Now I don't recall any lines at breweries simply just to get in on a weekend and enjoy a beer.
     
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    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    I think it would be much lower than that. If a town has 2500-ish legal age drinkers, and 200 of them stop by the brewery for 2 beers a day, that's 400 pints at $5, that's 2 grand a day, x 350 days a year, that's 700k/yr. Which should be enough to keep a lean operation running. If Deming Washington can support a brewery, a lot of towns can.
     
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    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Aberdeen WA, population, 17k, has 2 breweries.
    Concrete Wa, pop 791, has 1.
    Moses Lake, pop 26k, has 2.

    I don't think it takes to big a population to support a brewery.
     
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    Resistance88 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,462) Apr 9, 2015 California
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    RIP to all those people from 2012BA:confused:
     
  14. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    I agree, but I’m saying if a single town anywhere in the country of a given population does not support at least one brewery, then the population at which all towns in the U.S. have a brewery goes up. You’re talking about Washington state, where beer culture has flourished for decades. You might be forgetting about small and midsized cities in the Bible Belt, Deep South, and Utah.
     
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    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Oh, for sure there would be places where it wouldn't work. I just think overall, the amount of locals needed to keep a local-focused brewery running might be lower than 50k. Bellingham, Bend, and Asheville are all similarly sized (90-100k) with multiple breweries.
     
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    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    Definitely. My original inquiry was “at what population threshold literally every town in America has at least one brewery/brewpub.” I’m sure there are towns with a population of 300 people that have a brewery but that’s not what I was getting at. I’d like to know, just out of curiosity, the population at which having a brewing establishment is basically a prerequisite (regardless of all other factors). I’d guess it might be even higher than 50k even if most towns smaller than that also have one.
     
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    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    I feel like there are some fairly large towns south of San Francisco that don't have a brewery

    Edit to add; I'm thinking that lots of sprawling metroplexes like LA, Atlanta, or Dallas-Ft. Worth will have suburban towns with populations around our over 100k that don't have a brewery
     
  18. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    I tend to avoid suburbs but I suspect you might be right.
     
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    Shanex Grand Pooh-Bah (4,960) Dec 10, 2015 France
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    The beer industry is kind of unpredictable much like beer drinkers from a decade to another, so for those first few posts by the OP; kudos to those predicting these things.
     
  20. dcotom

    dcotom Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,637) Aug 4, 2014 Iowa
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    Since my crystal ball is about as clear as a milkshake IPA (as evidenced by my March Madness brackets every year), I'm glad I wasn't around in 2012 to embarrass myself with a prediction on the status of craft beer ten years down the road. Hell, I had a bad enough track record predicting at the beginning of 2022 what would happen in 2022. :flushed:
    https://www.beeradvocate.com/commun...-2020s-that-takes-off-huge-nationwide.632116/

    For the record, I did pick Purdue this year. :grin:
     
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