What beer are you drinking now? #4294

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  1. Jack_14

    Jack_14 Pooh-Bah (1,682) Nov 2, 2019 Italy
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    Good morning.
    Beyond the fact that human beings are inclined to schematize even what cannot be schematised, this beer is part of a style born in our Peninsula.
    Because if many believe that Italian Pils is not a real style, well the first to brew a beer starting from a base of cooked grape must comes right from here.
    Obviously the enlightened BJCP deemed it appropriate to include this category only with Grape Ale because since after the BB10 of the Birrificio Barley (Cagliari, ITA), everyone now uses this technique using their own local grapes, so the suffix "Italian" has been removed from the name and it has remained "Grape Ale ".
    Ridiculous ? Yes.
    Are any of our artisans interested? No.
    Are their dogmas taken into consideration by those who start producing beer? But God forbid.
    It's good practice to have a laugh in front of those who, in an attempt to find a specific schematic position for each beer, end up contradicting themselves and making themselves clownish.
    Any good and honest craftsman knows what he is doing and what he is drawing inspiration from to do it.
    In my opinion, it's now more of a subsidiary for a judge who at festivals has to try to make decent evaluations of dozens of beers drunk on the same day.
    No longer a current tool.
    Having made the necessary introduction, today I will talk to you about one of our excellences. Yes, the Italian one is a young school but our craftsmen are masters of these beer styles, beyond the formal recognitions and prizes received in the various competitions.

    Microbirrificio Opperbacco (Notaresco, ITA) - NATURE APRICOTCHE Vintage 2021 - Italian Grape Ale with apricots (7.3%)

    It's an Italian Grape Ale with Trebbiano grapes from the Recchiuti farm (Notaresco, ITA).
    The grapes are pressed by foot directly in the brewery and destemmed by hand to be placed on the bottom of the barrel to form a "pied de cuveé" (or Starter, it is a key phase of winemaking that must be followed carefully, to check that the grapes develop only positive yeasts. The "good" indigenous yeasts that are generated, added when necessary, will push the musts to ferment) in order to allow the "flora" present on the skins to proliferate and activate the fermentation of the beer.
    Fermentation and maturation then take place for 12 months in oak barrels previously used by local wineries.
    On the nose, aroma of apricot and bacterial notes.
    When poured, it's orange in color with golden reflections, veiled but not too much and with an evanescent foam that disappears immediately, like that of a Prosecco.
    In the mouth, a complex beer with new flavor nuances that emerge together with the dilution of the temperature of the beer.
    The initially sweet notes of apricot soon take on a sour note which is in turn "rounded" by a fine woody scent, which lingers for a long time on the palate, while the finish is harmonious/soft which helps to favor the overall balance, mitigating the sensations “hard” (in particular tannins and acidity, which are still present and clearly noticeable even though the drink is "fast/rapid").
    Even after drinking for a long time, these precious woody notes mixed with fruit remain in the palate, while the tongue is cleansed.
    Not only extremely balanced in its complexity, but in my opinion truly valuable and distinct.
    Regardless of personal tastes, when faced with a product like this one cannot help but appreciate the artisanal process (and also the final result).
    In my opinion, if any of you who like spontaneous fermentations tasted it, you would want to take a few bottles across the ocean.
    At the very least, I would recommend it given that it represents what I consider to be excellence in our brewing panorama.


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    Sláinte .
    Cheers .
     
  2. Shanex

    Shanex Grand Pooh-Bah (4,960) Dec 10, 2015 France
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    Bongiorno, good day @Jack_14

    Following your post with Rince Cochon (“Pigs rinse” in case anyone need a translation).

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    Cheers!

     
  3. Ozzylizard

    Ozzylizard Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,419) Oct 5, 2013 Pennsylvania
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    Good day BAs! Thanks @Jack_14 for the illuminating summation of the "Italian pilsner" - I never knew grapes were involved.

    Today's New Breakfast Beer:

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    "Beautiful Day" indeed! This is a very pleasing hefeweizen, a style I've never had in Germany.

    Final Impression and summation: 4.25 Decent hefeweizen, lightly sweet, fruity, and just creamy. Easy drinking.
    Rating 4.15, rDev +3.2%
     
  4. Jack_14

    Jack_14 Pooh-Bah (1,682) Nov 2, 2019 Italy
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    I apologize for expressing myself poorly. It was a distinction between two unrecognized styles.
    On the one hand, Italian Pils, for not having distinctive features compared to the German tradition.
    On the other hand, the Italia Grape Ale, a style created in 2006 with an Imperial Stout, called BB10 from the Barley Brewery on the island of Sardinia, which started its fermentation from cooked grape must which are not recognized as a style because each one follows the style with its own raw materials, so the category is now simply called "Grape Ale".
    But I repeat, it is only a small highlight of one of the various contradictions encountered by those who try (in vain) to find a category for any specific beer. This discussion doesn't interest me much and luckily neither do (honest) artisans.
    Then if competition judges need margins within which to color, or neophytes need a sort of map to orient themselves and take points of reference, they are welcome to use this guide which, in my personal opinion, rather than being considered a "Bible", should be considered a subsidiary.
    Personal opinion eh... However, no, there are no grapes in Italian Pils :wink:, it's the fault of my lack of confidence with the language to express the concepts I would like to express.
     
  5. Ozzylizard

    Ozzylizard Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,419) Oct 5, 2013 Pennsylvania
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    Thanks for the clarification - I was indeed a bit confused.
     
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  6. belvedere86

    belvedere86 Pooh-Bah (1,716) Apr 1, 2013 Belgium
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    Did a hike to the Hohneck which is the third highest mountaintop from the Vosges mountain range. Now drinking the legendary La Goudale. Cheers!

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  7. Beer-Panda

    Beer-Panda Pooh-Bah (2,745) Mar 27, 2016 Netherlands
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    Westvleteren 8.
    Back to our home now after about 6 weeks. But we do have high end insulation now and I'm almost looking forward to Fall and Winter. After the builders had left we spend two long weekends cleaning the dust on 3 floors (and from all items that were left in the house during the work).
    Cheers all!
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  8. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    Good morning, BAs! Looks like a slow Tuesday. Don't worry; I'm here to help! :wink:

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    Spicy Chocolate KBS
     
  9. LesDewitt4beer

    LesDewitt4beer Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,315) Jan 25, 2021 Minnesota
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    Hello thirsty seekers. I'm haulin' glacier field stones and having a can of Aass. I hope that cracks you up. :sweat_smile: It's a pretty good Pils. Cheers!
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  10. MistaRyte

    MistaRyte Pooh-Bah (2,681) Jan 14, 2008 Virginia
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    Off Color Aqua Regia barleywine
     
  11. Beer-Panda

    Beer-Panda Pooh-Bah (2,745) Mar 27, 2016 Netherlands
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    Awesome heavy haul !
    Nice beer, the oldest brewery in Norway. I wish the shipped to NL too.
    Cheers
     
  12. lordofthewiens

    lordofthewiens Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,225) Sep 17, 2005 New Mexico
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    We've had more rain in the past three days than we've had in the past year.
    Drinking this and helping my wife with her chores.

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  13. tolar111

    tolar111 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,094) Aug 17, 2008 New York
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    Drinking Heady Topper, tabs up!

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    Sammy played this tune last night

     
  14. LesDewitt4beer

    LesDewitt4beer Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,315) Jan 25, 2021 Minnesota
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    :beers::beers::heavymetal:
     
  15. DoctorZombies

    DoctorZombies Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,827) Feb 1, 2015 Florida
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    Good afternoon/day BAs! Lately I’ve been taking Tuesday off as my cleanse day, but I had so much beer to inventory I decided that drinking a beer should be part and parcel of the task - “Coconut Deth” (2024) by Revolution. Beer and proper glassware courtesy of @ChicagoJ :

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    Bottled 7/3/24. Poured at 54°. Even more coconut than 2022. A Mounds bar dunked in bourbon. This beer is world-class, imo. Thanks Jason!

    No dirth of chores here at the homestead…I’ll be back. Cheers and have a terrific Tuesday y’all!
     
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  16. brewskis

    brewskis Grand Pooh-Bah (3,883) Jun 8, 2012 Indiana
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    New Glarus Pilsner (Diamant, Mittelfruh, Saphir, Select, Hallertau Blanc). Supposed to be a German/Czech hybrid and it does that quite well. Excellent stuff.
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  17. GuyFawkes

    GuyFawkes Grand Pooh-Bah (5,630) Apr 7, 2011 Illinois
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    AleSmith Nut Brown Ale. A damn fine beer!
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  18. tekstr1der

    tekstr1der Grand Pooh-Bah (4,252) Nov 27, 2014 New Hampshire
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    Good Afternoon Advocates!

    Been a while since I revisited this one. Always tasty!

    • Tannenzäpfle | Badische Staatsbrauerei Rothaus


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    Cheers BAs!
     
  19. defunksta

    defunksta Grand Pooh-Bah (4,164) Jan 18, 2019 Wisconsin
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    1) Falling Knife Convivio (5.2%): An Italian Pils from Minnesota and collab with Maplewood in Chicago with flavors of lemongrass, lemonflower, yeast and pale malts.
    versus
    2) Falling Knife Of A Feather (5.5%): A Helles Lager from Minnesota with flavors of lemon, floral notes, smooth bread malts. (Correctly matched the two beers blind)

    Winner: Falling Knife Convivio
    Falling Knife Battle. Their Italian Pils vs their Helles Lager. First is Convivio their Italian Pils. A nice collab with Maplewood in Chicago. Lots of lemon citrus notes here. Great flavors.
    Next is Of A Feather, their Helles in a collab with Fair State.
    Both are actually fantastic and I think Falling Knife has a great lager game. Their Italian Pils is a bit more hoppy and lemony as expected. The Helles has a bit more smoothness. Could go either way on preference, but today going with the Italian Pils.
     
  20. scott451

    scott451 Pooh-Bah (2,694) Apr 2, 2009 Canada (ON)
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