Threshold for Ratings

Idea Discussion in 'BeerAdvocate Talk' started by md3kcn, May 30, 2025.

  1. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    Yeah, a byproduct of the new system scoring beers with say 1 rating is a lot of 80s. I'm not happy with it and looking for ways to adjust.
     
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  2. RaulMondesi

    RaulMondesi Grand Pooh-Bah (5,343) Dec 11, 2006 California
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    I am also not a fan of the random 80’s score of a beer with only a few reviews. NA until ten reviews seems best to me.
     
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  3. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    I'd love to eventually bring back serving type and allow for multiple reviews based on that.

    As for the min chars, your longing to force reviews could reduce the number of beers being rated by around 50% and push those raters elsewhere if they opted to not review beers or we didn't come up with some form of other solution for simply rating beers.

    Forcing reviews will also encourage abuse (fake reviews/text padding/complaints in reviews), which increases moderation and subsequent actions on data and users.
     
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  4. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    Ten ratings before being scored did work well. I didn't like the smaller dataset and the impact on lists, but that could possibly be addressed in other ways over time. I've been reviewing options.
     
  5. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    Why would we delete these beers? They're legit entries. And if they're reported as retired (or even become inactive), there's really no issue.
     
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  6. slander

    slander Pooh-Bah (2,568) Nov 5, 2001 New York
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    IMO, the threshold for characters in a 'place review' needs to be upped.
    These 2 sentences you're reading right now pop at 222 characters, more than the 150 characters needed, and I feel it's inadequate for a place review.
     
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  7. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    Banned. :skull:
     
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  8. TrojanRB

    TrojanRB Grand Pooh-Bah (3,779) Jul 27, 2013 Texas
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    That’s pretty epic. And 2014 is way before AI. We got some funny ones to look forward to, I’m sure.
     
  9. RaulMondesi

    RaulMondesi Grand Pooh-Bah (5,343) Dec 11, 2006 California
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    I still don’t like how beers with under 10 reviews now have a random number in the eighties for a score, rather than NA. It just seems a bit misleading to the untrained eye.
     
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  10. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    As previously noted, I've been reviewing options. Hope to come up with a solution before the end of the year.
     
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  11. HoppingMadMonk

    HoppingMadMonk Grand Pooh-Bah (5,208) Mar 3, 2017 New Jersey
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    I had to check out some of your beer reviews. Short and to the point with a clear description which works for me. People forget that most likely people are checking beer reviews in a store while shopping and running errands.
    I dont want to be in front of a refrigerator where 10 different guys just came in to buy a six of bud while I'm reading a war and peace review on a stout im interested in.
     
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  12. cryptichead

    cryptichead Grand Pooh-Bah (4,857) Jul 3, 2014 Illinois
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    I'd still prefer a number of sorts as opposed to just NA. NA is meaningless whereas even a small sample of ratings (albeit even 1 or 2) still provides a data point that shouldn't be dismissed.
     
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  13. zotzot

    zotzot Grand Pooh-Bah (5,182) Feb 22, 2015 Vermont
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    I agree with leaving the system as is.
    It’s imperfect, but better than any other beer rating system I’m familiar with.
     
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  14. ATL6245

    ATL6245 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,984) Aug 16, 2018 Georgia
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    Brevity is a virtue my friend.
     
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  15. ATL6245

    ATL6245 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,984) Aug 16, 2018 Georgia
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    I hope you can. Many great breweries in my area just don't get enough reviews by BAs to get ratings under the old system. The new system was an improvement but it really still underrates some great beers. Tough problem @Todd!
     
  16. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    Any updates won't (and really can't) address underrated beers. A beer being underrated is highly subjective, plus user bias and lack of ratings will always come to play.
     
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  17. zotzot

    zotzot Grand Pooh-Bah (5,182) Feb 22, 2015 Vermont
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    Agreed
    Some reviews are too long and I get distracted or bored
     
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  18. zotzot

    zotzot Grand Pooh-Bah (5,182) Feb 22, 2015 Vermont
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    I strongly believe there needs to be a minimum before a legitimate rating is applied
    Statistical bias…
     
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  19. brewme

    brewme Grand Pooh-Bah (4,014) Mar 1, 2014 Massachusetts
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    I think that the system, as is, is great.
     
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