120 Volt 1600 Watt Induction Burner for Brewing

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  1. uiucphoenix

    uiucphoenix Initiate (0) Dec 6, 2010 Washington

    I will have access to three of these in a gallery loft space to brew: http://www.eurodib.com/products/531?currency=USD

    From what I have read so far, it seems a little light on wattage, but I am hoping that is not the case. Any suggestions to get the most out of this setup? I have not purchased a Brew Pot/Kettle yet, but know that this will need to specifically work with the induction burner. Any help or further reading is much appreciated!
     
  2. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,421) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    1600 watts is more than a little light on wattage, so there's no point in hoping that's not the case. 1600 watts is equivalent to about 5.5k BTUs. Most home brewers use gas burners that are anywhere from 10 to 50 times as beefy, though some get by with a bit less. Granted, this burner is much more efficient at transferring those watts to the wort, but I think it's safe to say that this will be somewhat less than satisfactory for brewing beer.

    What sort of constraints are you under? Maybe we can suggest alternative solutions. You've certainly come to the right place for that.
     
  3. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    well, don't plan on doing any 5 gallon brews.
    if you have a nearby circuit that will drop 15 amps without tripping you can boost the boil capacity with an immersion heater.
    Cheers.
     
  4. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    My experience is exactly as suggested by mikehartigan. A normal electric stove top has a pair of small elements in the 1000 watt range and a pair of big 'uns somewhere between 2000 and 3000 watts. Your 1600 watt'er will fall way short of a conventional stove top element.

    Worse, those units are rated at 13.3 amps, which means you can only use one per circuit (unless you have industrial grade wiring/outlets which is unlikely). Unless you have multiple circuits where you brew and they are physically close to each other, this can become a goat-rope pretty quickly. There is a reason our electric stoves are 240 volts and this is why.

    I would explore methods of venting a burner . . . gas just seems the way to go.
     
  5. GUNSLINGER

    GUNSLINGER Initiate (0) Nov 18, 2013 Colorado

  6. uiucphoenix

    uiucphoenix Initiate (0) Dec 6, 2010 Washington

    @mikehartigan, thank you for the info. There are quite a few constraints, the old knob fuses and lack of 240V being just the start as it is a very old space. The induction burners are already in the space being used by chefs for pop-up dinners so I was just going to use what is available. There is currently no venting in the space, so that would have to be built from scratch as well. I would brew outside, but the gallery space is on the 2nd floor and at storefront level, so that is out of the question. I really do want to use this space, since my wife won't let me brew at home, but it is sure posing a few challenges.

    @GUNSLINGER, that looks like a great option, albiet pretty expensive. It does look like the heating element is included so that would save me $125...

    @PortLargo, any experience venting a burner indoors that does not require pulling permits and hanging a huge hood?
     
  7. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,421) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    At 2000 watts, that's still pretty anemic for the task at hand. It's surprising to see Blichmann marketing such a product. It'll probably get the job done, but you'd be pretty much limited to extracts and partial boils. Also, the way I read it, the coil is included. Nevertheless, $464 is a pretty hefty price (though it's a damn fine kettle!)

    uiucphoenix, it looks like this may be one of the very few options available to you, given who wears the pants in your family! :rolling_eyes:
     
  8. redmaw

    redmaw Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Just to confirm what was already stated here, I tried boiling 5 gallons in a 7.5 gallon pot (induction compatible) and it just took forever to boil - roughly 4 hours and then without the lid it really wasn't even able to maintain a boil. I am not sure the wattage rating on that unit, but i think it was something just under 15 watts on a 120 line - so roughly the same power. I have since brewed on a 3000 or 3500 watt unit on a 240 line, that works just fine.
     
  9. uiucphoenix

    uiucphoenix Initiate (0) Dec 6, 2010 Washington

    @redmaw, what unit have you been using since?
     
  10. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    You should also consider that boiling wort puts a lot of moisture into the air. Depending on airflow where you are thinking of brewing, you may end up with a huge moisture/mold issue.
     
  11. JrGtr

    JrGtr Pooh-Bah (1,775) Apr 13, 2006 Massachusetts
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    as others have said, that size won't work so well for a 5-gallon batch. You may be able to get 2 - 3 gallons to a boil with it, though, and there are plusses to going for a smaller batch (minuses, too, of course)
    I'm planning out my electric brewery, and I'll be going for the 3600 watt one like Redmaw has.
    Another option would be to augment a smaller burner with a heat stick.
     
  12. uiucphoenix

    uiucphoenix Initiate (0) Dec 6, 2010 Washington

    @wspscott, the 5,000 square foot open space has 10 foot ceilings. I don't want to overlook it, but they have been screen printing and using other material that call for ventilation without any in sight...
     
  13. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    I'm guessing you have a ~2 gallon kettle in your home kitchen. Fill that with water and place it on one of the induction burners. Triple the time it takes to boil and that is conservatively what to expect.

    The Blichmann Boiler still has to obey the laws of thermodynamics. You're looking at 2KW and that's only if you have a 20 amp circuit (your receptacle will have a sideways female plug). Otherwise you'll be pulling wire for a new circuit . . . may as well add a 240V circuit and be done.

    I brew on a stove top gas burner in my kitchen, usually two going at once, sometimes three. It is hooded but I never turn on the fan as the air conditioning is running constantly. The only time I've ever felt faint was when I missed my OG. So I say let it rip with the gas but expect the Asphyxiation Police to frown on this.
     
  14. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    This can be an issue when brewing indoors, whether it's stovetop brewing or otherwise, electric or gas. If you have an airflow issue, occasional homebrewing will contribute to the problem, but I don't think it would create a problem solely on it's own unless you brewed frequently. It's something I started to consider when I moved into a damp place.
     
  15. uiucphoenix

    uiucphoenix Initiate (0) Dec 6, 2010 Washington

    @PortLargo, so what you are saying is that I am screwed any way I look at it until the wiring gets updated and a 240V line is pulled? Even the Blichmann Boiler won't get it done with the old wiring that is in place, correct?
     
  16. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,421) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    Most kitchen outlets are wired for 20 amp service. It sounds like you've got vintage service (no 240V, for example), so who knows? If you've got 12 gauge wire and a 20 amp fuse on the outlet in question, you can use the Blichmann. Otherwise, the induction burner is your only choice on a 15 amp circuit. But neither one of those is conducive to brewing beer, IMO, unless you're willing to make small batches.
     
  17. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    For the record I have never tried to boil 5+ gallons on an electric element. But lots of others have and post poor results (redmaw above). If you have access to the 1600 watt induction coil then try it out. You will probably be disappointed but it is an easy test to see what will happen.

    A couple of ways to speed up the boil (which I do with gas): Draw your strike water from your hot water source, usually 120'ish. So you are raising it to ~160 or a 40 degreee rise. When lautering, the wort will be in the low 160s if you do a mash out, so you're looking at a 50 degree rise to boil. My instinct tells me your 1600 watt burners will still not get the job done, but it would be nice if you attempt and post the results.

    The Blichmann coil calls for 20 amps which means 12 gauge wire. Look at your circuit breaker panel . . . it you have 20 amp breakers you can probably make this work. But a couple of problems even if it works: the 2000 watt capacity is only slightly better than what you have now. Yes it's 25% more so expect a 4 hour boil to now only take ~3 hours . . . pretty long brew day. The 7.5 gal capacity is marginal to unacceptable for 5 gallon batches so you're really talking the 10 gallon'er which is more $$$.

    If you're determined to boil with electricity and be safe it's not terribly difficult to add a circuit. If this is an unimproved workspace you can even leave the conduit exposed which makes it easier. You'll need something like 6 gauge wire (four strands for 240V) which will give you 40 amp capacity. Expect to pay around $4/foot and a couple hours of electrician labor. This will allow 9000+ watts which will make the kettle sing in a reasonable time.
     
  18. uiucphoenix

    uiucphoenix Initiate (0) Dec 6, 2010 Washington

    @mikehartigan, either I need to get an Wiring for Dummies book or find an electrician, but it doesn't look like I will be brewing any time soon. If anyone cares, I will post what finally works out in the end. In the meantime, I will go back to my BCBS hunt...
     
  19. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    I have two 3KW stainless steel boilers and they each just manage to bring 6 UK gallons (just over 7 US gallons) to a rolling boil.It helps that the elements are actually immersed in the wort , this reduces losses.
     
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