13 beer blind Ofest Taster

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  1. ZAP

    ZAP Grand Pooh-Bah (4,048) Dec 1, 2001 Minnesota
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    I recently completed a 13 beer blind taste test of Oktoberfest beers.

    Of the beers I had tried 6 of them this year at least once. Those beers were Great Lakes, Spaten, Weihenstephaner, Summit, Schell and Sam Adams. The others I had not had this year.

    Wife poured 6 ounces of the beers into glasses numbered 1-to-13 and kept the key.

    I spent about an hour or more separating a top level and a bottom level. Then I layered the bottom level. They I set out to separate the top level. I ended up need my wife to re-pour the final six beers.

    My #7 beer was clear and I knew it was Weihenstephaner due to its color and flavor. It is a lighter ofest. I slotted this beer right after the top six and behind the bottom six.

    None of the beers were bad.

    I guessed 7 correct (Great Lakes, Hacker, Paulaner, Spaten, Weihenstephaner, Summit and Becks)

    As always there were surprises in the final results. There really wasn’t a lot separating these malty lagers when you drink them blind.

    Here are the final results:

    1. Great Lakes
    2. Shiner
    3. Hacker
    4. Paulaner
    5. Spaten
    6. Point
    7. Weihenstephaner
    8. Schell
    9. Summit
    10. Leinie
    11. Sam Adams
    12. Becks
    13. Ayinger

    -Shiner #2 was a huge surprise. I guessed it as Schell. I have not had it before or since but have been meaning to get it again to see if I was onto something or on something when I slotted it second.

    -Point #6 was another surprise. Again I had not had it before or since.

    -Even Leinie at #10 is a mild surprise as I had that pegged for last. Guessed it as Point. Would have never guessed it would finish above Sam Adams.

    -Not sure if Ayinger was old or what but it did not distinguish itself as a german ofest.

    -Not surprised to see Beck’s near the bottom to be honest.

    -I’m not real happy with how they finished. I do like Great Lakes, Hacker, and Paulaner a lot but also thought I would have had Schell and Sam ahead of Shiner, and Point. Whatever. That is why you do these. I’ve tasted enough beers in my day to trust my buds even when things to not turn out the way I would have thought in some cases.
     
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  2. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Yeah, that one's surprising -- especially considering that it's more to-style than Great Lakes. What were your "rules" for style? Because I can bet I see a of favoritism to what you like and don't like in a beer, opposed to what's correct to style.

    To the Ayinger, I know that a few years ago I was finding old Oktoberfest on shelves and it had gone sort of sour. I wondered how everyone was thinking it was so good. But when it's fresh, it's damn good.
     
  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Thank you for conducting that test and posting your results. Blind tasting is the way to go and correctly identifying 7 of the beers is pretty darn good.

    I had a Shiner Oktoberfest last night (my second of the six-pack) and it is indeed a high quality Marzen beer.

    Cheers!
     
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  4. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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  6. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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  7. opwog

    opwog Initiate (0) Jun 16, 2008 Minnesota

    What you were on was 114 ounces of beer :wink: I just did the quick math on this and that is almost ten beers! With a style that intentionally doesn't stray much from a 5% malty beer, it would be tough for me to do a proper ranking with even half that much consumed.
     
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  8. ZAP

    ZAP Grand Pooh-Bah (4,048) Dec 1, 2001 Minnesota
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    I didn't finish all the second tier six ounce glasses during the tasting. Once I had them separated I left them be until later in the day. I finished all the beer but it was over about 7 hours. But the palate fatigue was real at a certain point. Not sure it affected it that bad though as identified more than half of them blind.
     
  9. morimech

    morimech Grand Pooh-Bah (3,803) Nov 6, 2006 Minnesota
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    I have had all those except the two that are found almost everywhere, Leinie's and Shiner. I admit that I have only had two Shiner beers. I quickly concluded they were the Leinie's of Texas and passed them over since. I will give their O-fest a try.

    Hacker-Pschorr is by far my favorite marzen. Would be interesting to see if it still was in a blind judging. And I also see Surlyfest has again changed styles, now it is a marzen.
     
  10. GeezLynn

    GeezLynn Initiate (0) May 10, 2009 Colorado

    Great list, although I'm curious where Staghorn would've fallen on it.

    Would you mind explaining further? There's several that I haven't tried on his list, but am familiar enough with the style to know which types I prefer.
     
  11. ZAP

    ZAP Grand Pooh-Bah (4,048) Dec 1, 2001 Minnesota
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    My thoughts exactly on Shiner...and I just bought a sixer to try it some more...I'm starting to wonder if my wife fucked that up....I had that beer pegged as Schell and what I had tonight is not close to Schell and hardly impressive....Maybe I miss read the key or something as she abbreviated....I was pretty sure it was Schell and stunned it was Shiner and after having Shiner today I don't know how I could mess that up....even on my early tasting notes (1st time through the 13) I had it as Schell....who knows...

    I usually do these tasters with my brother and the quality control is impeccable but I've done a few small ones with the wife before and her attention to detail is not as intense and when it comes to pouring 13 beers into glasses marked 1-13 there may have been a mix-up....had to be

    I love Hacker as well....I just got Surlyfest and it is very good but still hop forward in my opinion...
     
  12. ZAP

    ZAP Grand Pooh-Bah (4,048) Dec 1, 2001 Minnesota
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    I had one sixer of Staghorn this year and unfortunately did not save one for the taster as I was not thinking ahead when I had it....I did think it was less full flavored this year than in past years but still good..
     
  13. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Great Lakes is the most obvious. It's too estery, too caramel sweet and roasty to the style, not to mention too strong. As I've often said, Great Lakes makes lagers for ale drinkers -- they just aren't as clean and straight malty as a good lager ought to be.

    That said -- it doesn't make them awful beers, just not what I'd look for to style.
     
  14. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    I think this year's Staghorn was actually less roasted in character than in years past, actually leaning more to bready and better to style. But like you, I had it early on in the season -- might have to see if I can find some more.
     
  15. GeezLynn

    GeezLynn Initiate (0) May 10, 2009 Colorado

    Right. Great Lakes is one that I have had (and reviewed, I think). Had the same impression, too big, too much alcohol evident. But the next four on his list don't really follow that pattern, do they?

    Edit: After checking my review, I didn't really mention the noticeable alcohol in the review. But that has definitely stuck in my head each time I pass it over looking for Oktoberfests. I think it's a well-made beer, like all Great Lakes beers. I just don't love that take on the style.
     
  16. ZAP

    ZAP Grand Pooh-Bah (4,048) Dec 1, 2001 Minnesota
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    I like maltier ofests and love GL beers to start with so it is probably just a personal preference. After drinking more of several on this list I think H-P would be my favorite but I do like the Great Lakes version. I also liked Staghorn when it was a bigger ofest...just a personal preference I guess....i did not rate based on exact style guidelines, just what I liked better....
     
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  17. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Since 3 of the next 4 are perfect examples of the style, no, they don't follow any pattern except the reviewers own likes. Taking into consideration that 1 and 2 are considerably different from each other, and completely different from the Munich styles -- it doesn't make you stop and wonder? :wink:
    Exactly what I think about it, and probably the majority of American takes on the style -- including Sam Adams.
     
  18. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    I'm surprised you didn't like the Summit better than you did, it's a bigger, sweeter take on the style like GL. Any thought on that?
     
  19. JMN44

    JMN44 Pundit (809) Sep 19, 2013 Minnesota

    My favorite Oktoberfest beer is Great Lakes with Schell's being #2. Those are the two that stick out above the rest to my taste buds. GL may not be true to style but I really enjoy it.
     
  20. igor

    igor Crusader (425) Nov 7, 2009 Minnesota

    Too weird I was just chatting with. A co-worker yesterday about Octoberfest beers as he's been havng a lot lately. I'm generally not a fan of them but last year really liked the Ayinger.
     
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