14 Breweries Split from the Colorado Brewers Guild

Discussion in 'Mountain' started by Cfahooligan, Jun 11, 2016.

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  1. Cfahooligan

    Cfahooligan Pundit (929) Mar 19, 2001 California

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  2. mickyficky

    mickyficky Initiate (0) Apr 3, 2011 Colorado

    Falling rock is going to be more and more limited in local "craft" beers to serve. Wonder what Chris has to say now?
     
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  3. denver10

    denver10 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,155) Nov 17, 2010 New Mexico
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    Many of the states big hitters leading the way.
     
  4. Cfahooligan

    Cfahooligan Pundit (929) Mar 19, 2001 California

    The beers do not cease to be craft just because they formed their own group or guild so saying Chris can't serve them anymore doesn't make sense. They're doing something different not selling out.
     
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  5. ONovoMexicano

    ONovoMexicano Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2012 New Mexico

    What? I don't get what Falling Rock or what they can or can't serve have to do with this split.
     
  6. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    I can feel their frustration. Around two years ago, I offered the guild to use BeerAdvocate (web, print, social media, etc) as a free vehicle to get the word out to Colorado beer consumers about why they should oppose SB 197. I even met with their leaders and brewery guild members, but was ultimately passed off to a 3rd party marketing person that was kind of clueless. It didn't feel right, so I continued to offer my help directly to the guild. I was essentially blown off each time, and eventually gave up. And as I talk to others in the Colorado beer industry I quickly discovered that many were frustrated with the guild's performance.

    Speaking of educating consumers: Their events lack any real awareness for the guild and its issues, their newsletter promotes events and beer gear and their social media does the same (when it's not checking into breweries and posting beer pics). Publicly, their message has been all fluff or plugs for others.

    Their leadership has been failing for years, as their members watch and complain on the side. And unfortunately this isn't uncommon when it comes to brewers guilds.
     
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  7. ONovoMexicano

    ONovoMexicano Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2012 New Mexico

    I don't quite get the hubbub about this new bill that was signed by the governor. Seems though it could have a detrimental impact on small liquor stores, it's also anti-competition and protectionist to prevent it. Un-American in my eyes.

    As for this split, there is some irony in that folks like Oskar Blues are behaving like they're the small guy here, only a few weeks removed from getting called out for their own business practices.
     
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  9. ONovoMexicano

    ONovoMexicano Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2012 New Mexico

    Does the Guild have an executive director and if so, is at individual from a brewery? Who is the leadership? I assume there is some sort of elected board consisting of members from the state's breweries, correct? Reading between the lines it seems like maybe Coors was an outsized influence on the Guild and its decisions, to which I can understand the frustration of many of the other Colorado breweries.
     
  10. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    http://coloradobeer.org/about/
     
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  11. Mebuzzard

    Mebuzzard Grand Pooh-Bah (4,290) May 19, 2005 Colorado
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    The link @Todd gave has the meat of the issue, but it is long. To sum up: the current laws protect Competition, not competitors. Big groceries aim to kill off Competition under the guise of "convenience" and "choice for the consumer", which are blatant lies.
     
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  12. ONovoMexicano

    ONovoMexicano Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2012 New Mexico

    Yeah, I get that. I've read about the issue before. Always been on the fence about it, as I do see how it will put the pinch on small businesses that can't compete on price lose the majority of their customers (clearly an issue), however, I am uncomfortable with protectionist practices and also think at day's end most consumers just want to have the best prices no matter from whom that originates.

    I also, thinking about it, recognize that the liquor stores would have to focus entirely on craft beer and given the lost revenue and the beer-buying habits of many craft consumers (single bottles, purchasing the occasional rare beer rather than everyday go-tos) would have to raise prices on their beers in a way that may drive a way consumers. Clearly a bad deal.

    Such a tough issue for me. Generally opposed to restrictions and regulations, protectionism and such, but thinking this through a bit more, there are some severe trickle-down effects here, so I'm just at a loss.

    With regard to the Guild, it would be interesting to know the dues structure and if it is size-related or sales-related, as that again would give outsized influence to Coors, who obviously have much to gain with the change.
     
  13. Cfahooligan

    Cfahooligan Pundit (929) Mar 19, 2001 California

    The problem isn't just whether people have better prices or not. It impacts craft beer where these mom and pop shops carry bigger numbers of local beers and craft beers from around the country. Or more variety in general. If they are put out by competition then the stores win and drown out the markets with bigger brands that they can sell a lot of. All the usual suspects of bigger colorado brands plus macro swill that you can get anywhere. Less shelf space for the smaller guys. When we first moved here we were all about it because we saw giant bottles of Jack Daniels for $40 and 6packs of Ten Fiddy for $10 at Target. We thought we had died and gone to heaven. But then realizing the impact that the only beers on Target's shelves are big brands. But I haven't been into their newly added on full liquor, beer, and wine dept. I am sure they have expanded their brands but it was shaping up to be exactly what I said it would be. All the usual suspects and big brands. But still you will see big brands at grocery stores and the shops they close down because of their cheaper prices hurt the breweries that were doing well in these smaller stores and more niche stores.
     
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  14. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Its good to see these guys standing up for themselves. Looking back I never saw an ad on tv representing the other side of this issue, just the ad with st patricks brewing saying they want to sell their beer at king soopers... iirc they don't even package for distro.
     
  15. omgeezo

    omgeezo Initiate (0) Apr 22, 2013 Colorado

    Nobody is saying that Chris can't serve them. But as far as Oskar Blues is concerned, Chris said he WON'T serve them. The question is if that will apply to all members of this new guild as he seems loyal to the CBG.
     
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  16. biking4beer

    biking4beer Pundit (833) Oct 5, 2006 Colorado

    If you think that was the reason behind Chris's message, you missed the point, and you're not the only one. He spelled it out, but most people seemed to just focus in on the one issue that they disliked the most. It's another illustration that the world is more than just black and white.
     
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  17. Mebuzzard

    Mebuzzard Grand Pooh-Bah (4,290) May 19, 2005 Colorado
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    If I'm understanding your concern correctly, you'd prefer more of a laissez faire approach. This would be fine IF we, as an economic society, started from scratch. Unfortunately, the big corporations can actually do whatever they want. It's not just semantics anymore. And what they want to do is quash Competition and be the sole beneficiary of consumers' monies. To sustain a dynamic, rich and rewarding market some protection for Competition is needed.
     
  18. Mebuzzard

    Mebuzzard Grand Pooh-Bah (4,290) May 19, 2005 Colorado
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    Incorrect :wink:
    They package many beers now and distribute, I think, only to Safeway and King Soopers (maybe Tipsy's). I wonder their reaction to the compromise. I kind of feel bad for them b/c they hitched their wagon to a lying, manipulative horse. In my conversation with them, they did not have all the information.
     
  19. jdw275

    jdw275 Initiate (0) Feb 18, 2011 Colorado

    Yeah, I've seen them on the shelves at Tipsy's.
     
  20. mickyficky

    mickyficky Initiate (0) Apr 3, 2011 Colorado

    I was simply pointing out the fact that one of Chris' point of contention with Oscar Blues was because they left the guild and he no longer considered them craft. If he uses that same logic here, he will soon run out of beers he can serve.
     
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