2.5 gallon batches and proper fermentation vessel sizes

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  1. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    I am newbie and brewed my first 2.5 gallon batch. I would like to do more of this size but I have a concern regarding 2ndary fermentation, and dry hopping.

    I have a 6.5 gallon pail ale bucket and a 5 gallon carboy. If I brew a batch that requires dry hopping or racking to a 2ndary to add coffee, coco nibs, vanilla, etc would the extra head space on a 5 gallon carboy cause any issues? If I keep the brew in the primary and never open the lid headspace isn't an issue. But what if I open the lid to throw hops in or additional flavors? If the beer is done fermenting there is nothing to push the oxygen out?

    Should I just purchase a 3 gallon carboy for 2nd fermentation on my 2.5 gallon batches?
     
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  2. whereizzy

    whereizzy Initiate (0) Mar 2, 2011 Wisconsin

    I started out doing 2.5 gallon batches and used 3 gallon carboys for secondary. But most of the time I avoided doing a secondary. I never had issues with 2-4 week primaries with dry hopping, nibbing, beaning, etc.

    Cheers
     
  3. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    For primaries, my recommendation is wort volume times 1.3. For secondaries, racked beer volume, including added ingredients, times 1.0. You don't want extra headsapce in a secondary.

    If you add ingredients to the primary after fermentation, avoid splashing.
     
  4. jae

    jae Initiate (0) Feb 21, 2010 Washington

    I do a lot of 2.5-3 gallon BIAB batches. I usually primary in whatever's open (even my 8 gallon bucket) tho it's usually a 5 gallon carboy. I secondary in a 3 gallon carboy.
     
  5. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    If I use a 6.5 gallon bucket and dry ho in the primary by opening the bucket won't that allow oxygen into the beer? I was concerned that opening the pail would introduce too much oxygen with all that head space.
     
  6. ssam

    ssam Pundit (997) Dec 2, 2008 California

    It will, but if you're careful you can minimize it.
     
  7. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I have done small batches in buckets but generally these are small beers that ferment fast and drink fast, minimizing the effects of oxidation
     
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  8. Ford

    Ford Initiate (0) Sep 8, 2012 Texas

    I use one of these for my 2-2.5 gallon batches....

    http://morebeer.com/products/speidel-plastic-fermenter-12l-32-gal.html

    Works great... two batches in and I haven't had any blowoff.... I did have to drill a hole in the lid so the HUGE Speidel three piece airlock/stopper would fit... you also have to buy the airlock/stopper separately. These are a breeze to clean. I'm going to buy another one soon when they are back in stock.
     
  9. fuzzbalz

    fuzzbalz Pundit (953) Apr 13, 2002 Georgia

    I use 3 gal buckets I picked up for free and a local store/bakery, they use to have vanilla icing in them so they are food grade, and the lids even have a rubber gasket.
     
  10. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    If you think you're going to be doing a lot of tinkering for the sake of tinkering 1 gal growlers are a great way to get this done. I own about 3 or 4 and use them every time I do cider or wine. I also own a 3 gal BetterBottle and I hate the damn thing. It's difficult to clean and I usually try to use it as a primary. I end up with tons of foam leaking out the top. Frothy cuss words follow.

    Personally, I'd use the 6.5 gal fermenter. Ferment for 10-14 days and toss in your cocoa, coffee, vanilla, etc. Let it sit for a week or two and rack to bottling bucket/keg. Try not to splash and try to get the job done quickly.

    The times I'd recommend a true secondary would be for fruit additions and for oak. You can take your time this way.
     
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  11. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    This is the ideal vessel for 2.5G batches.
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    Cheap ($10)
    Easy to clean
    Fits neatly into a 48 QT ice chest fermentation chamber
     
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  12. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    I still use mine for experimental 2-ish gallon extract batches. Works like a champ.
     
  13. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
    Pooh-Bah

    Just got one. Spring clearance sale, was only $8!
     
  14. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    Since it has the spigot can you bottle off it too?
     
  15. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I think that's the idea with Mr. Beer. But this way, you need to get priming sugar into the bottles (as opposed to a bottling bucket).
     
  16. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    Ahhh. That's right. In the long run it's probably faster but i think I prefer adding it to the whole batch.
     
  17. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    More better to re-pupose the little brown keg rather than use it the way MrB designed it to be used (bottle straight from the fermentor).

    The idea is you get (at least) two of them.
    One fer fementing.
    One fer bottling where you can batch prime or just dose each bottle with table sugar or Domino Dots.
     
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