2 run mash

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  1. Mnsnowman

    Mnsnowman Initiate (0) Jan 30, 2016 Minnesota

    I'm not sure what the proper name is, but I want to take the first runnings and do an imperial and take the second runnings and make a small beer. Is there a calculator that I could use to estimate the sg of each? I was thinking of draining the tun then adding the sparge water kinda like batch sparging. Would it be acceptable to not "sparge", bring mash up to ~165, for the first runnings? Advice or pointers would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
     
  2. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    https://byo.com/mead/item/1963-parti-gyle-brewing-techniques

    Of course, I do this almost every brew except I go to 168 as a mash out. This de-natures all the enzymes which locks in your sugar profile.

    I've done a couple of parti-gyle brew days and it's a challenge. The math can be tricky and of course you'll have two boils, two cool-downs, two fermenters . . . and twice as much to clean. If you search this Forum for "parti-gyle" you can see what others think about it.
     
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  3. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    No idea on a calculater, it's is more work but you get more beer. Worth doing at least one time.
     
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  4. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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  5. Mnsnowman

    Mnsnowman Initiate (0) Jan 30, 2016 Minnesota

    Great info that was just what I was looking for. Thanks
     
  6. JohnnyChicago

    JohnnyChicago Initiate (0) Sep 3, 2010 Illinois

    Parti-gyle brewing is fun (depending on your definition of the word). I’m a huge nerd about using old-school traditional methods. But it is almost twice the work, and time, so keep that in mind!

    Just some tips:

    • In my experience, it is much easier to use fly sparging than batch sparging. Because you can adjust your beers in stride and you aren’t a slave to what your mash yields you.
    • Keep in mind the differences between your two worts. Not just gravity, but viscosity, color, flavor intensity. Your second wort will have a stronger likelihood of pulling astringency, so don’t be afraid to cut it early if it is getting super low gravity.
    • A PH meter is a great tool to have here, as you will likely need to adjust the mash for the second beer. A refractometer is even more important so you know what exactly you are getting, gravity-wise.
    • Prioritize one beer (likely the first) and focus on hitting your numbers with that one, then go ‘I get what I get’ with the second one. It’s better to have one great beer and one average one that two average ones.
    • The first beer will pull most of the malt flavor, so either hop the hell out of the small beer, or have a couple lbs. specialty malt ready to top off the mash. Traditionally, biscuit was used. I like crystal (Breiss DRC).
    • Calculators are great...once you’ve got everything dialed in. Parti-gyle is a completely different way of brewing and you need to dial your system in to it. Treat the first attempt as a learning experience and don’t be too bummed if you don’t hit it out of the park.
    Good luck!
     
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  7. Bryan12345

    Bryan12345 Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2016 Texas

    I like big beers (and I cannot lie).

    I also hate wasting things, like malt with fermentable sugars.

    The solution? Brew the big beer to a recipe (first runnings) and just see what happens with the second runnings. My final ABV on the first runnings is usually predictable and in the 10-12% range. Second runnings have varied in final ABV from 1% to about 5%. I enjoy the big beer as intended, and I have a more crushable version for whenever. :slight_smile:
     
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  8. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    I am similar, but more in the 9% range for the first and 5-6 for the second. Apparently my Texas friend has better efficiency
     
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  9. Mohican88

    Mohican88 Initiate (0) Jan 20, 2010 Ohio

    I've occasionally done parti-gyles when brewing some big beers and will strongly second adding some additional character malts for the second runnings as @JohnnyChicago mentioned. Biscuit is a nice choice, I like to use Aromatic for the strong malt character you get from it.
     
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  10. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Parti-gyle brewing is easy compared to decoction brewing :grimacing:...both novelties/relics of bygone eras, imho
     
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  11. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    Indeed, but still no harm in trying once,,,, or more.
     
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  12. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    Get your efficiency numbers dialed in and batch sparge everything. It's kind of fun getting two completely different beers from one brew day. For a homebrew challenge. Add a paired plate to each beer, and see what happens as a result.
     
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  13. jsullivan02130

    jsullivan02130 Devotee (341) Mar 28, 2007 Massachusetts

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