2013 NHC Results

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by Thorpe429, Apr 15, 2013.

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  1. Thorpe429

    Thorpe429 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,705) Aug 18, 2008 Illinois
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    Has anyone gotten their results back? I entered my beers into Kansas City and got me score sheets back over the weekend. I submitted seven beers and had scores ranging from 23 to 41.

    This was the first competition where the scores turned out basically in line with what I thought (in the past, I've thought judges were wildly inconsistent, and often flat out wrong).

    The 23 was a saison that has some astringency to the finish and I can't figure out why, with a 26 to a witbier that I knew was too sour for the style (similar to Jolly Pumpkin's Calabaza Blanca) but already had a 16E so couldn't put it there, and 29 for a blended whiskey barrel/regular imperial stout with vanilla, which I figured would have too much vanilla for 22C and should have gone to herb/spice.

    Other than that, had a Berliner at 31, Gueuze at 32, Belgian Specialty (blonde saison with red wine oak cubes and lambic dregs) at 35, and a raspberry-lime berliner (fruit beer) at 41.

    Best of luck to everyone else who was able to enter!
     
  2. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    Nice job Thorpe! I did not enter beers this year though I kind of wish that I did. The registration times were not very favorable for me this time around.
     
  3. Thorpe429

    Thorpe429 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,705) Aug 18, 2008 Illinois
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    Thanks! I'm really hoping the saison clears up, as it has only been in the bottle for about 6 weeks. However, given the taste, I'm afraid that it may have been an issue with the water. I normally use a 2-stage filtration process, but I'm scared I did something along the lines of not putting the cartridges in properly. This was a batch that I split many ways and fermented with a bunch of different yeasts, and everything so far has this character, so I don't think it was a fermentation issue.
     
  4. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    As long as you can locate the issue its an easy fix (hopefully)!
     
  5. Thorpe429

    Thorpe429 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,705) Aug 18, 2008 Illinois
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    Yeah, I think it's a one-time issue as I've used the same ingredients (hops from that bag, grain from those containers, etc) in subsequent batches that have all turned out as predicted, and I'm nearly certain it wasn't a yeast issue given that all the bottles from different strains share the same issue.
     
  6. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    Yeah its good in this case that you had a few constants and a few variables in the right places so you didnt have the guess over multiple batches. Is your 35 or 41 moving on to the next round?
     
  7. barfdiggs

    barfdiggs Initiate (0) Mar 22, 2011 California

    It could be that your wort was just too fermentable. I had a split batch of saison finish out at 0.992 and 0.994 (0.992 ECY Saison Brasserie, 0.994 WY3724), both had an astringency in the finish and more apparent bitterness because they were so dry.

    The other potential is that your water had something in it. The last batches I did with spring water (I switched to RO about a year ago) had a horrible astringency in the finish, that literally was consistent across five batches I did in one day using the same batch of arrow head water. Since switching to RO, no issues.

    Congrats on the 35+ scores, btw! Hopefully they advanced to the second round!
     
  8. Thorpe429

    Thorpe429 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,705) Aug 18, 2008 Illinois
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    I'm not sure on the next round. Neither had mini BOS marked, as I believe some in Kansas City did. I'm sure the 41 would have gotten at least that, so my guess is that either there was no mini BOS for that category, or the sheets just weren't marked.

    Thanks! I'm guessing it's the water issue, as there was a range of gravities across the 7 different strains that I used. It seems really unlikely that each would end up with the same character for a reason related to fermentation.
     
  9. axeman9182

    axeman9182 Initiate (0) Aug 5, 2009 New Jersey

    Guess I should expect my results from Kansas City soon then. I am excite.
     
  10. udubdawg

    udubdawg Initiate (0) Dec 11, 2006 Kansas

    I did not judge your fruit beer but tasted it. Really nice work! There were 2 or 3 judge pairs working Cat 20, but rarely did "advanced to mini-bos" get checked that weekend.
    hopefully you've got uh, say, 3 more bottles lying around... :wink:
     
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  11. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Only a few have been judged. Wait for the official results to be released once all regions are done and data bears verified by the AHA.
     
  12. harryhood1

    harryhood1 Initiate (0) Dec 5, 2009 Pennsylvania

    Hate to be the one to bring bad news, but if you don't have a number in the Place Awarded box on your cover sheet, you didn't place.

    I spoke to Steve Cook, the guy in charge of the Kansas City site and these are his words pasted from an email:

    As far as the results reported to individual brewers, the judges and stewards were instructed to put the place information on the cover sheet if the beer placed 1st, 2nd, or 3rd. There is no actual designation in the NHC competition for "Honorable Mention" other than the judges desire to let the brewer know they had a difficult time deciding which beer would advance in 3rd place. There is no advance for 4th (HM) place. Further, If there is no "place" designation on the cover sheet then that beer did not advance to the final round even though it made the cut to mini-BOS. Here are the exact instructions we have from Janice Gross at the AHA:

    There are rules around the results of the competition, so I think a reminder is in order.

    Please do these things:
    Write 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place as appropriate on the cover sheets of the winning entries, and send all score sheets to the entrants ASAP following the competition.
    Verbally announce the winners after the conclusion of the competition.

    Please do NOT do these things:
    Make hard copies of the competition results available.
    Post the competition results on a website.
    Email or electronically make available the results from the competition.

    There is a perception of fairness, or the lack thereof, when we post competition results before all of the competitions have finished judging. Thanks.


    I'm disappointed, too. I had one beer move on, but I had 2 beers that scored 42 and one that scored 43 and all 3 missed the cut. Based on what I'm seeing overall from this region, I think the scoring is skewed to a higher level. I've entered comps for a long time and I've never seen so many scores in the 42-45 range. Not saying we aren't making good beer, but it seems like a little grade inflation.

    How many comps have you guys entered and not taken at least 3rd with a beer that scored 43? I know I haven't.
     
  13. udubdawg

    udubdawg Initiate (0) Dec 11, 2006 Kansas

    re: the first part, that was the intention, but mistakes and oversights happen. I'm happy to say that Thorpe429 was one of them.
    re: the last part, I'd take two things from this. 1. it sounds like you make great beer, and 2. people tend to send their best to Nationals. It is tough. 50+ stouts, and 65 Belgian and French - tough competition.
     
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  14. MasterCraft

    MasterCraft Initiate (0) Sep 2, 2012 Massachusetts

    ISO: bottle of raspberry-lime berliner
     
  15. bevoduz

    bevoduz Initiate (0) Oct 29, 2007 Illinois

    I entered a vanilla ris as a spice beer in kc and got a 44.5 and didn't place, along with 2 other 40+ scores, so there must have been some really great beers there!
     
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  16. udubdawg

    udubdawg Initiate (0) Dec 11, 2006 Kansas

    ouch...
    I'm sure you already knew it was great, but at least now you know others agree.

    Looks like I went 3/3 on Mead/Cider, but sledding was tougher in beer. 1/5 advanced.
    still, 4/8 doesn't suck!

    cheers--
    --Michael
     
  17. barfdiggs

    barfdiggs Initiate (0) Mar 22, 2011 California

    IIRC from Brewing Better Beer Gordon Strong had about a 50% success rate getting beers/mead/cider into the NHC second round.... so, yeah, 50% does not suck!
     
  18. barfdiggs

    barfdiggs Initiate (0) Mar 22, 2011 California

    Anyone received any sheets from San Diego?
     
  19. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    More like 1/3.
     
  20. pecokid

    pecokid Initiate (0) Jan 23, 2007 Pennsylvania

    score sheets already!? wow. I thought May 4 on the AHA website was the best hope.
     
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