2014 Bourbon County Brands release - Chicagoland

Discussion in 'Great Lakes' started by Jaycase, Nov 24, 2014.

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  1. Monsone

    Monsone Initiate (196) Jun 5, 2006 Illinois

    I very much enjoy this post. I can count the number of people I have heard in lines talking about how they have 4+ Prop and 4+ vanilla and are probably good, but are still in line ahead of a bunch of people that have gotten nothing (including myself) or just a 4 pack of regular.

    The Chicago beer scene has become just such a massive fail.
     
  2. HugePrnceFan1999

    HugePrnceFan1999 Initiate (32) Nov 30, 2011 Indiana

    Me too!! Welcome back, us!

    There was a very long post earlier today from Jegross explaining his actions at Walgreens the other morning. I had a long serious post that wasn't rude and it was deleted. Honest.

    BCBS is a delicious beer and I don't understand the desire to buy a case of each variant purely to trade it often for less delicious, though not available in this market, beer.

    Good luck on the hunt, those of you who wish to drink this wonderful beverage.
     
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  3. mdomask

    mdomask Aspirant (274) May 27, 2012 Illinois
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    Weird, because in the Strange Brews podcast, Brett Porter and Mike Siegel talk about it being in the barrels... unless I misheard. Plus, we know that fruit gets stuffed in barrels for the wild ales and they need to centrifuge it out.

    Different methods for different adjuncts?
     
  4. jermy

    jermy Disciple (303) Mar 30, 2013 Illinois
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    Fav part from the walgreens post today was "some one else did it first"
     
  5. Drucifer

    Drucifer Devotee (453) Apr 16, 2012 Illinois
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    My favorite was "you guys would have done the same"
     
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  6. Summer78

    Summer78 Aspirant (234) Jan 18, 2013 Illinois
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    i missed the post. did someone try to justify cajoling someone into selling early?
     
  7. graceace

    graceace Initiate (0) Sep 1, 2010 Illinois

    Where is the Walgreens thread? I would like to read that...
     
  8. SeanBond

    SeanBond Champion (889) Jul 30, 2013 Illinois
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    Yeah I couldn't tell if it was a reference to that or not, given in what force the beer trolls seem to be out this time of year.
     
  9. Drucifer

    Drucifer Devotee (453) Apr 16, 2012 Illinois
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    It's on the chicago beer facebook group. If you aren't a member, I don't recommend joining as 90% of the people in that group are the problem with this hobby.
     
  10. mbockstruck30

    mbockstruck30 Disciple (325) Dec 31, 2010 Illinois
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    80 people deep at 5:30am at Whole Foods? Chicago has gone full jackass mode this year. I hope they only had a case of Prop.
     
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  11. DLDlulz

    DLDlulz Aspirant (216) Feb 15, 2012 Illinois
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    2 cases Prop & 2 cases of Vanilla. 48 got a bomber. Some waited since 3am. Cray cray
     
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  12. ravot

    ravot Devotee (426) Mar 20, 2012 Illinois
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    last year, the bomber counts were about 20 cases of each.
     
  13. jermy

    jermy Disciple (303) Mar 30, 2013 Illinois
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    it was someone justifying why he exploited walgreens employees and screwed over the people that actually showed up at a reasonable time (considering it was meant to be a noon release)
     
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  14. SeanBond

    SeanBond Champion (889) Jul 30, 2013 Illinois
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    Do we know final counts for what LP Binny's got? Given that everyone got significantly less than last year (Walgreens notwithstanding), it seems like that particular Binny's got the lion's share.
     
  15. sahd-1

    sahd-1 Disciple (375) Jul 2, 2013 Illinois
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    I haven't taken a pulse, lately, of any of the other regional forums, but are we (the Great Lakes forum) the only one that's become so nasty? With all of the villains and "heroes" I feel like we've devolved into the WWF/WWE.
     
  16. Lansman

    Lansman Aspirant (239) Mar 19, 2011 Missouri
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    Over 300 people attempted to join the group in the week leading up to the release of Bourbon County. In other weeks leading up to that, the average hovers around 5-10. There appear to be a good number of folks not in the group that seem to want to become a part of that "90%".
     
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  17. Makubex

    Makubex Aspirant (246) Jul 4, 2012 Illinois
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    Definitely different methods for different adjuncts. For things like vanilla, cinnamon, cacao nibs, peppers, it's a good idea to make a tincture (soak them separately in neutrally flavored alcohol for a month or so) and then add a bit at a time at bottling until it tastes as intended. Simply adding the adjuncts direct has potential to give wildly different outcomes based on how fresh the ingredients are, the pH of the fermenting wort, temperature and many other factors.

    With fruit additions (especially in wild ales) you want the fermenting wort in direct contact with the fruit. You can technically make extract from the fruits and add it at bottling, but you're also extracting sugars from these fruits. You want these sugars to be consumed by the saccharomyces and wild bugs while they're hanging out in the barrel so that any CO2 produced is able to offgas rather than building up pressure in the bottle.

    Regarding 2013 prop, I'll admit I was simply speculating about where the coconut addition was made. I guess it could also make sense if coconut was added directly to the barrels considering how widely the resultant beer varied. Considering how much of a pain in the ass it would be to get beer out of barrels that are also filled with a bunch of coconut shards, I would personally err on the side of adding to taste at bottling. Not to mention, you're going to lose a lot of your liquid to absorption with a direct addition; lastly, those barrels with coconut in them are pretty much unusable afterward unless you want to produce a beer that vaguely tastes of coconut.
     
  18. SeanBond

    SeanBond Champion (889) Jul 30, 2013 Illinois
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    I feel like the big issue is how much of a clusterfuck BCBS (and really, "hot" Chicago releases in general) has become. There's much more animosity than usual around this one, and as a result, everyone is pissed off and looking for people to blame. I'm not saying that people aren't to blame, or shouldn't be blamed, but I don't hear this kind of animosity coming from Darkness Day, or hell, even Dark Lord day. BCBS '14 has been chaotic as hell, so a lot of people are on edge (as on edge as you can be, worrying about beer).
     
  19. ChicagoGuy

    ChicagoGuy Initiate (0) Dec 2, 2014 Illinois
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    I think you mean "heels" and "faces".

    :wink:

    I initially came to BA, to this thread specifically, just to find out where to score BCBS without dealing with lines, waitlists, etc. I succeeded, but created an account & stuck around because a) I didn't want to feel like a mooch, and b) I liked what I saw, in terms of community & all the shared info. Hopefully that's enough to keep me out of the aforementioned 90%.
     
  20. Drucifer

    Drucifer Devotee (453) Apr 16, 2012 Illinois
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    Last year's BCBS release was when the group jumped from 150 members to 2,000 members in a week, but that doesn't really bother me. Joining a group to find out where to get BCBS is not what I meant when saying "90%". That was directed at hoarders, line cutters, mules, resellers, etc... Everyone joining the hobby should experience BCBS and joining a group to find it is a good thing!

    My point is we should be spreading the wealth to others (see: advocate, enthusiast) and not taking advantage for our own gain. There are also some great people in that group that I would (and have) buy a beer for at a bar. However, the vast majority show little to no respect for others, which is what sickens me. Is that wrong in the legal sense of the word? No, but Chicago Craft Beer Capitalists would be a much more appropriate name.
     
  21. RexKramer

    RexKramer Initiate (198) Jan 19, 2011 Illinois
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    As someone who was out of town for the black friday event, I hope that I find a bar that does a BCBS event or happen to stumble across a release later in the year as I really want to give the beer a try. It's a shame that excitement over a beer has to be marred with people working the system and treating others like crap. It's certainly moved me more towards the thought of giving up on chasing beers and being happy with what I find when i find it.
     
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  22. Lansman

    Lansman Aspirant (239) Mar 19, 2011 Missouri
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    Welcome to the community! Don't let comments from a vocal minority overrule the general awesomeness that this community still is. If you want to see a glimpse of how it "used to be" (though I would argue it still is if you look in the right places) go to the 4Elf party bottle share before the release next weekend up in Marshall, MI. (Just turn away from the inevitable line cutters that will show up in the AM). :slight_smile:
     
  23. ppohio

    ppohio Initiate (174) Aug 5, 2011 Minnesota
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    Pretty grim. They could have cut allotments a little bit to spread it out. They saw how many people were there, and they decided to let the first 50 or so walk away with everything and everyone else get significantly less. Given that there were probably 150 people in line when they opened the doors, they could have easily said one variant each and spread it out.

    Most disappointing is that the Whole Foods guy said they were punished by the distributor for having their release this week instead of on Black Friday, which is why allotments were cut. As with anything, take that with a grain of salt, but I hope this isn't the way this thing is going.

    Edit: I missed Black Friday and the weekend to family commitments so although I wish they had spread out the variants a bit, I appreciate Whole Foods for at least giving some us a shot to get some regular BCBS this year.
     
  24. mdomask

    mdomask Aspirant (274) May 27, 2012 Illinois
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    Awesome! I love knowing the hows behind stuff like that.

    Sounds like the preferred process for making bitters... where some recipes will be just toss everything in a jar, whereas better recipes will have you keep each botanical separate and then mix to a good ratio at the end. It makes sense that you'd use a similar method in beer.
     
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  25. SeanBond

    SeanBond Champion (889) Jul 30, 2013 Illinois
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    From what I've seen (and honestly, I only hang around a couple of the forums, so I don't have that much experience), this tends to be one of the more positive areas of the internet. The vast majority of people on BA are nice and enthusiastic, and are willing to help out fellow enthusiasts (whether it's with trades, information on where to "score," brewing info, etc.). Judging the site (not saying you are) by what's happening with BCBS is probably not a good idea, because it's not really representative of the rest of the site.
     
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  26. boilermakerryan

    boilermakerryan Initiate (195) Nov 8, 2011 Indiana
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    I think you just summed it up right there. Perhaps GI needs to have something like a Darkness day or DLD. You get a ticket, alottment...end of story.
     
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  27. ChicagoGuy

    ChicagoGuy Initiate (0) Dec 2, 2014 Illinois
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    I dunno, I think judging the community by this particular BCBS thread isn't such a bad thing - everyone here seems pretty cool & happy to share tips/info, so far, and no one seems to be shying away from a bit of amusing smack-talking when it's warranted.
     
  28. SeanBond

    SeanBond Champion (889) Jul 30, 2013 Illinois
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    No, you're right, I mostly meant don't judge BA (or beer enthusiasts in general) by all the controversy (sounds so dramatic) around BCBS this year. You're right this thread is pretty positive, and that's been the general rule.
     
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  29. Rainblows

    Rainblows Initiate (176) Feb 27, 2013 Illinois
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    This, this, this.
     
  30. RexKramer

    RexKramer Initiate (198) Jan 19, 2011 Illinois
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    It does seem like it would ease some of the tension and other negative aspects of pushing the beer out to different stores throughout the city. They could throw a hell of an event and generate similar buzz.

    Then we could focus on bitching about things like not enough port-a-johns, lack of good food, and the horrible ticketing system.
     
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  31. Clownoisseur

    Clownoisseur Aspirant (241) Oct 7, 2013 Michigan
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    How quickly people forget about Hunahpu's Day 2014......
     
  32. Jaycase

    Jaycase Meyvn (1,115) Jan 13, 2007 Illinois
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    I think this approach needs some serious consideration by GI. Sell everything on one day and be done with it. Instead of now where it's this extracted process with gangs roaming the Chicago streets a la The Warriors, hunting for every last bit of BC shaking down every store employee where instead of bats & knives they have cellphones.
     
  33. boilermakerryan

    boilermakerryan Initiate (195) Nov 8, 2011 Indiana
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    I think a Bourbon County Day would be a perfect opportunity to prevent truck chasing, harassing liquor stores, lines forming at 1am (If some of you like that then by all means more power to you). I have spoken with liquor store employees that are so paranoid on how to split up their allotments that they are making themselves sick. In the end I think there has to be a better way.
     
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  34. Drucifer

    Drucifer Devotee (453) Apr 16, 2012 Illinois
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    I second this wholeheartedly. I reacted a little poorly and exaggerated a bit. It's definitely a vocal minority that gives groups like CCBE a bad image, and is no where near 90%. The community definitely has a ton of bright spots. The camping before Darkness Day and the line bottle share at DLD are a couple more events that will make you feel like a welcome part of this hobby as tons of generosity can be seen there.
     
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  35. SeanBond

    SeanBond Champion (889) Jul 30, 2013 Illinois
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    Yeah, I'm not 100% sure a ticket system would be a simple solution for the BCBS issues, but it's certainly one of the options that should be explored.

    Also, I've said this before, but I'm really hoping that GI blows this year's production away next year, so we don't have to worry about this. At the end of the day, if they can significantly ramp up production, we don't have this issue where only the first 1/3 of a line gets what they want, or where smaller shops don't get jack.
     
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  36. boilermakerryan

    boilermakerryan Initiate (195) Nov 8, 2011 Indiana
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    I don't think anyone has forgotten about that. No matter what you do people will always try and cheat the system. I have been going to DLD for 5 years and I can honestly say this past year was one of the best run. There will never be a perfectly run event however, I think there can be an effective and efficiently run event where 80% of the people are happy.
     
  37. mrsandman35

    mrsandman35 Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Colorado

    My girlfriend and I got the last two bottles of vanilla and last bottles of coffee this morning at Whole Foods after being shut out at Mt. Prospect Binny's on Black Friday (where we waited 90 mins to be about the 3rd and 4th people to not get a bomber). They could have lessened the allotments but they posted on their event page what each person would be able to get provided it was available and this was a lot of what motivated me to get out there early. Saw the Whole Foods release and figured this was our last shot this year so wanted to get there early. Planned on getting there around 530am, saw the post on here of someone in line around 3am when I woke up at 4am and so we hit the road a bit earlier. We got there right after 430am, so a minimum 3.5 hours of waiting got you a bomber today. Unbelievable what it takes to get this beer nowadays and seeing as this is about as far as I am willing to go to get it, I don't think I'll end up with any next year unless they change up the system.
     
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  38. mdomask

    mdomask Aspirant (274) May 27, 2012 Illinois
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    Meh, I see where you're coming from, but... I think the scale on BCBS, especially after this year, is just completely different from other high profile stouts.

    Two years ago, this could have worked and been miraculous. Now, when BCBS is a "must have" item that's covered by every news outlet AB/InBev can feed an easy soft story to? Not sure how well it would work.

    Plus, the beer for this event would come at the expense of supplying other stores (I'm guessing). So, you screw over more shops, distributors, etc. Which, given how pissed they are this year may not be a bad thing...

    I want to love the idea. I just think BCBS has gone mainstream now, so whatever event gets set up around it will reflect that :slight_frown:
     
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  39. Heathcliff_Hasbro

    Heathcliff_Hasbro Initiate (27) Apr 29, 2013 Illinois
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    Similar thing happened at South Loop Whole Foods on Thursday morning. There were about 100 people in line when their sale started at 8am. They got one case of each variant and had a 1 bomber vanilla/prop or 1 4pack per person limit for coffee/bw. First 36 people walked away with variants and the rest got shut out, including some folks who said they had been there since before 6am.

    A lot of people would have been much less disappointed had they decided to do 1 bottle per person across the board. In their defense, the limits were communicated ahead of time to those who called in, but to me this situation justifies Vav's method of deciding allotments based on the line that forms and alerting everyone of this method beforehand.
     
  40. SeanBond

    SeanBond Champion (889) Jul 30, 2013 Illinois
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    Yeah I think at this point all we can pray is that their new barrel warehouse pays huge dividends.

    The only other point that may be a bright one is that Prop will never (hopefully) be distributed outside of Chicago, so theoretically while demand my increase every year, HOPEFULLY Prop will start to be easier to get.

    At least, that's what I'm clinging to.
     
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