2019 Samuel Adams Summer Pack

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by johnnybgood1999, Mar 25, 2019.

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Do you like the inclusion of Sam 76 with Boston Lager?

  1. Yes

    13 vote(s)
    29.5%
  2. No

    31 vote(s)
    70.5%
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  1. johnnybgood1999

    johnnybgood1999 Savant (1,000) Oct 31, 2008 Virginia

    I wish I did know something different. Just wondered what your thoughts were. As you can see, I'm not very happy about both of the available everywhere brewers either discontinuing, or, IMO, ruining what used to be widely available, solid seasonal packs. I was irritated by Sierra Nevada's disckntinuation and thought I'd fall back on Sam to fill that seasonal sampler niche. Now their new model, is to me, lacking.
     
  2. johnnybgood1999

    johnnybgood1999 Savant (1,000) Oct 31, 2008 Virginia

    What do you mean by value beers when it comes to them being placed in a sampler? Are you saying cheap beers or that they are a good value? Just trying to understand the context here. I will agree, they could make it more interesting with some better additions. With Sam 76 in there on top of Boston Lager they'd have to make the other 2 very appealing for me to pick it up. I can handle Boston Lager and enjoy ot at times. Sam 76, while not bad, is just so....boring. To me at least it is. And combining thay with Boston lager as half the pack is ingenious to me. Though I understand, or think I do, that they must feel they can get dedicated customers for that beer if people buy those packs.
     
  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Yeah, me too.

    I will not be buying any Sierra Nevada variety packs this year if they stay consistent with their decision to not produce seasonal packs.

    Cheers!
     
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  4. Amendm

    Amendm Pooh-Bah (2,589) Jun 7, 2018 Rhode Island
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    Quality beer for the money, I view a lot of SA beers as such.
     
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  5. FatBoyGotSwagger

    FatBoyGotSwagger Grand Pooh-Bah (3,999) Apr 4, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    That's sad about the warning. Probably means somebody reported the post.

    And to keep this on topic I would imagine it is more important then ever to push core lineup beers hence the variety or lack thereof in the summer pack. Or they might just know people like to drink easy drinking beers in the summer.
     
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  6. vabeerguy

    vabeerguy Grand Pooh-Bah (5,245) Sep 21, 2015 Virginia
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    You are probaby right but my sorry ass is stil here. Actually, I think they lightened up. So you are stuck with me at least for awhile.

    Gotga say though, I follow your posts. Impressive.
     
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  7. pro100

    pro100 Zealot (567) Oct 12, 2014 California

    Long as it has German hops we're good to go
     
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  8. ESHBG

    ESHBG Pooh-Bah (2,099) Jul 30, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    OP, were these cans or bottles? And what's interesting is the website is showing both Summer Ale and Porch Rocker will be stand alone seasonals again this year.

    I was a huge fan of SN and SA variety packs (although SA's just kept getting worse over the years IMO) and was a regular buyer but do have to admit that neither seemed to sell very well and there were always a ton laying around until the next one showed up.
     
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  9. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Not sure "force it down our throats" is accurate - at least for me, if I see a beer in a "variety pack" I don't want to drink (or feel affluent enough to dump into the compost pile), I just don't buy it.

    Could be because BBC's "beer" market share is shrinking at the same time the overall US beer market is, and the "macro" styles (AAL, light beer) domestic and imported, though also losing share, still account for 80-85% or so of the market?

    Last year, most likely?

    Full Year 2018 Summary of Results
    Depletions increased approximately 13% from the comparable 52-week period in 2017, reflecting increases in the Company's Truly Hard Seltzer, Twisted Tea and Angry Orchard brands, partially offset by decreases in its Samuel Adams brand.


    Shipment volume was approximately 4.3 million barrels, a 13.7% increase from the comparable 52-week period in 2017.

    In 2017, the breakdown (according to the B.A.'s estimates) was 3.7M bbl of product of which only 2 million barrels was "beer" - then the above continued growth of the cider/FMB/Seltzers and decreases in SA beers, sure implies it's now over 50-50. It'll come out soon with the publication of the B.A.'s NEW BREWER annual list and the 2018 BBC Annual Report.

    Had it once, decades ago when a music venue said they had "Sam Adams" and I was handed one of them (but when I was quite familiar with the lager styles then available) and thought its lemon zest and Grains of Paradise* just made it it taste like the aroma of deodorant urinal cakes.

    And "Grains of Paradise" - goddam, I thought those were illegal beer additives in Massachusetts!
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  10. johnnybgood1999

    johnnybgood1999 Savant (1,000) Oct 31, 2008 Virginia

    The packs I saw were bottles. So not one beer unique to the pack? Wow.
     
  11. NYRunner

    NYRunner Crusader (420) Nov 5, 2018 New York

     
  12. NYRunner

    NYRunner Crusader (420) Nov 5, 2018 New York

    (Sorry, still new at this).
    Thanks to Google, I could check out Grains of Paradise (Aframomum melegueta) and it's apparently considered a kind of drug in West Africa. Perhaps the state was responding to its misuse in patent medicines?
     
  13. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Rumors, urban legends and, (maybe even?) factual reports of brewers using all sorts of ingredient dodged the industry in the US from the beginning all the way until, well, today (see "Babe, Food" ). The same situation existed in Great Britain.

    In 1835, for instance, the New York State Assembly sent a questionnaire to all Albany-area (the major US brewing center at the time) brewers which included this question.
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    Lots of mentions of brewers using "aloes", and/or other bittering materials in place of hops, due to crop shortages and/or price increases over the decades. Hop farmers were particularly interested in this rumor, since as the 19th century progressed brewers bought less and less of their hops. The brewing industry admitted they weren't using substitutes, they just lowered the hopping rate of their beers.

    And a certain percentage of beer drinkers (and some brewers) even back then also considered using corn or any adjunct "adulterated" beer. There was even an 1890 bill proposed in Congress to create what would essentially been an American Reinheitsgebot, with all adjunct beers having to be labeled "Adulterated".

    Or, as Adolphus Busch, put it:
    Continued on to the turn of the century, resulting a number of Congressional hearings on "Pure Beer" in 1900-up to Prohibition (one of which resulted in the Busch quote above).

    Additionally, lots of stories in the past about breweries using bad water or finding drown rats in the bottom of fermentation or lagering tanks after emptying. :astonished:

    __________

    One of my favorite government health departments' examinations of beers in that period found that many bottled beers, especially in the warmer months, used "Salicylic Acid" as a preservative.

    *"Salicylic Acid" ?
    Yeah, whatever that is..."
    I thought when I came across it.

    A few days later, I pull out a container of foot powder and saw "Salicylic Acid" as one of the ingredients.

    "Must be OK to use on your feet - they used to put it in beer!" :grin:
     
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  14. johnnybgood1999

    johnnybgood1999 Savant (1,000) Oct 31, 2008 Virginia

    I've never been able to discern which flavor in Summer Ale would be attributable to those grains. I just get wheat (fine), artificial lemon (not as fine), and a slight BMC funk (not fine at all) as it washes down.
     
  15. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I have yet to brew with Grain of Paradise but I do have some since I once apparently accidentally selected it when ordering homebrewing supplies online.:flushed:

    Below is a description:

    “Paradise Seeds add a peppery zing, and a hint of citrus and pine aromas to your beer. Use sparingly…”

    https://www.love2brew.com/Paradise-Seeds-p/fa014.htm

    Maybe the aspect of “artificial lemon” that you are perceiving is from this spice addition?

    Cheers!
     
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  16. Ahonky

    Ahonky Initiate (0) Feb 13, 2018 New York

    I would not buy this mixer. I do not like 76, despite it having no real flaws. I love Boston Lager. I loathe their Summer Ale and I don't do Radlers.
     
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  17. ESHBG

    ESHBG Pooh-Bah (2,099) Jul 30, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    Lately they have also been putting out can packs with three beers and sometimes a few of those can be unique so maybe we will still get lucky? I am totally lost on this pack, though, and outside of BBQs it would have been a no brainer to put these in cans for beach use...that would have made a lot of sense to me for this lineup, as I don't think it's a bad one if you are looking for something that has a beer for just about anyone.
     
  18. ESHBG

    ESHBG Pooh-Bah (2,099) Jul 30, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    Well never mind the can pack is '76, Summer Ale and Porch Rocker, I am totally lost on this year's selections.

    https://www.samueladams.com/our-beers/limited-release/variety-pack/summer-can-mix-pack
     
  19. johnnybgood1999

    johnnybgood1999 Savant (1,000) Oct 31, 2008 Virginia

    Peppery could be interesting in the right brew. It could be the artificial lemon flavor, but I always assumed that that came from lemon flavoring. Maybe not though. Their Cherry Wheat has an artificial cherry flavor that made me think that as well. On the other hand, I have a soft spot for their Blackberry Wit. The blackberry was well done in that one, at least to my palate. You should really brew something with those grains, btw.
     
  20. johnnybgood1999

    johnnybgood1999 Savant (1,000) Oct 31, 2008 Virginia

    It could be alright as a pack for a gathering and a lot of people do that in the Summer for sure. On a personal level it doesn't do it for me though. I'm also a bit of a loner, so there's that!
     
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