3 gallon batch. 6 oz. hops enough incl. dry hopping?

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  1. CavemanBrau

    CavemanBrau Initiate (0) Apr 5, 2013 Iowa

    So I have begun my winter half batch brewing endeavor, and as I'm putting together my IPA recipe it seems I may not have enough hops to accomplish what I want.
    Here is where I am starting:

    5 lb. Pearl
    2 lb. Rye
    .5 lb. Crystal 40

    2 oz. Nelson (11.6% AA)
    2 oz. Galaxy (13.6% AA)
    2 oz. DJ Rudi (15.6% AA)

    US-05

    .5 oz Galaxy (60 min) - 42.98 IBU
    .25 Nelson, Galaxy, Rudi (10 min) - 23.37 IBU
    .5 Nelson, Galaxy, Rudi (0 min) - nil IBU

    66.33 IBU for roughly 1.067 OG (6.3 % ABV)

    This leaves .75 oz. Galaxy, 1.25 Nelson and Rudi for dry hopping. Never used Rudi, but it is the hop I want to showcase.
    Any critiques?
    Cheers
     
  2. jamescain

    jamescain Initiate (0) Jul 14, 2009 Texas

    My question is, what do you want?

    66 IBUs for 1.067 is a good amount of bitterness. What yeast are you using? Depending on your final gravity it could be too bitter. If you want to showcase Rudi, then use it as either the predominate hop or single hop. Six ounces is a lot for 3 gallons.
     
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  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    "Six ounces is a lot for 3 gallons." I agree.

    Cheers!
     
  4. PINOT8

    PINOT8 Initiate (0) Nov 2, 2013 Canada (ON)

    Sounds like alot to me as well.
    I work in predominantly that size batch, and that's more than I've ever used.
     
  5. CavemanBrau

    CavemanBrau Initiate (0) Apr 5, 2013 Iowa

    I've been talking to a couple local brewers that have been stating that breweries are using "secondary" hops to showcase a "predominant" hop, such as Alpine Nelson using Citra to bring out Nelson Sauvin. So I was leaning away from single hop. My title was a little misleading now that I think of it, I shouldn't have used "enough" as I'm looking for the best way to utilize the hops. All Nelson beers I have brewed to this point have not been what I am after, so after looking through YV hops I see Rudi which sounds like a great pair, but I don't want a muddled mess.
     
  6. CavemanBrau

    CavemanBrau Initiate (0) Apr 5, 2013 Iowa

    Quantity for hoppy brew?
     
  7. ccyr

    ccyr Initiate (0) Jun 17, 2009 New York

    I brew many 3 gallon batches of IPA and I can tell you 100% that 6 oz is NOT too much. Especially since you are only using 2.75oz in the boil & flamout additions. 66 IBUs for a 1.067 IPA? Some might even say that is too low a IBU/gravity ratio for an IPA. Go ahead and use them all and enjoy it!
     
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  8. jamescain

    jamescain Initiate (0) Jul 14, 2009 Texas

    This is what I did for my most recent IPAs, which is probably one of the best beers I've brewed.

    http://fermentologist.blogspot.com/2015/01/juicy-ipa.html

    I used 7 ounces of hops and I get a huge hop nose. I've used more hops in the past and haven't had this kind of nose. I think its less quantity of hops, per se, but how you use them that is most important.

    Also keep in mind your flame out hops will provide bitterness depending on how long you leave them near boiling.
    This is what I do with Mosaic.
     
  9. CavemanBrau

    CavemanBrau Initiate (0) Apr 5, 2013 Iowa

    My concern, if I can call it that which seems overboard, is for dry hopping. I could throw in .75 oz of Galaxy at 60 to boost.
     
  10. CavemanBrau

    CavemanBrau Initiate (0) Apr 5, 2013 Iowa

    I brewed a 3 gal batch last weekend using a 60, 10, 5, FO & whirlpool addition. It smells like amazing prior to dry hopping, so my thought was to mimic the schedule but I don't have the quantity of hops unless I'm adding 1/8 or 1/16 oz of hops which seems like a waste of time and effort.
     
  11. OntheLambic

    OntheLambic Initiate (0) Jan 9, 2015 Connecticut

    I've never used Rudi but if you are trying showcase that hop you need to decide "how" you want to showcase it, aroma/flavor. My suggestion, would be to adjust the hop schedule according to what you are looking for. If you want to showcase Rudi in the aroma then use all of it in your dry hopping and replace the boil and flameout additions with Galaxy and Nelson. Because you're correct, as is, it will be a bit muddled and a combination of all flavors/aromas that Galaxy/Nelson/Rudi provide.

    Edit: That said, it may be muddled, but it will be delicious.
     
  12. jamescain

    jamescain Initiate (0) Jul 14, 2009 Texas

    I'm confused are you looking for advice or are you looking for someone to validate what you're doing? The way I see it is brew the beer and make adjustments after you taste it. The best part about homebrewing is that you can do it again differently if you'd like it.
     
  13. CavemanBrau

    CavemanBrau Initiate (0) Apr 5, 2013 Iowa

    Leaning more towards advice, but the points you have all brought to the discussion are going to assist my first go round with this brew.
    Cheers
     
  14. sjverla

    sjverla Initiate (0) Dec 1, 2008 Massachusetts

    It really depends on what you want. I've found it's hard, but not impossible to over dry-hop a beer, but I do think 1.25 ounces of Galaxy is way high for 3 gallons of 1.067 IPA. It's just a super-potent hop that to me comes off as more dank + onion with a hint of fruit, especially when used for aroma (to me). I have no idea what Rudi is like though. But if you like the taste of bud (intentionally not with a capital 'B'), you'd probably like this beer.
     
  15. Scumbag81

    Scumbag81 Initiate (0) Sep 10, 2014 California
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    Nelson and galaxy are not the hops you want to use to showcase Rudi. Both nelson and galaxy are quite potent, so any intricacies of the rudi will be lost. Instead why not switch to something thats a better background hop like NZ Pacifica (Citrusy), warrior (Citrusy), glacier (citrus with some mineral), amarillo (mild tropical fruit, grapefruit), cascade (grapefruit, spice), etc.

    Just an FYI, according to clone recipes from Pat at Alpine and a youtube video of Nelson being brewed, southern cross is what is used in Nelson, not citra. There is supposedly a third hop, but after drinking lots and lots of Nelson, it doesn't seem like citra to me.

    Regarding amount of dry hops, 3 oz per 3 gallons is fine. If I'm going uber hoppy, I'll go 5-6 oz dry hop for a 5 gallon batch of IPA with another 3 oz in the keg. The Alpine Nelson clone supposedly provided by Pat uses 18 oz of dry hops per a 10 gallon batch, so theres that....

    Also, if you want to showcase a hop:

    1) use a lot more (in terms of oz) of rudi as opposed to the other, eg. 1:0.25:0.25 rudi:hop2:hop3.
    2) If FWH, use the Rudi in case FWH actually adds any flavors or aroma (this is a huge point of contention and I believe FWH adding flavor is bullshit)
    3) Dry hop with way more rudi than other hops.
     
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  16. CavemanBrau

    CavemanBrau Initiate (0) Apr 5, 2013 Iowa

    I saw that youtube video as well, but the brewer I spoke to maintains that is an old video.

    Maybe I'll just "showcase" Rudi in my head when I open the vacuum sealed bag and stick my face in, and just make a tropical dank bomb to end all dank bombs.

    Now I want an Alpine Nelson, and TG Zeelander.
     
  17. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    <silent tribute to senseless waste>
     
  18. CavemanBrau

    CavemanBrau Initiate (0) Apr 5, 2013 Iowa

    Senseless waste brewing an IPA with ingredients I purchased? Do tell.
     
  19. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    Sorry.
    Since it was a silent tribute ... no can do.
     
  20. CavemanBrau

    CavemanBrau Initiate (0) Apr 5, 2013 Iowa

    Sampled this brew last night whist checking the gravity. Freaking beautiful, most likely the best brew I've had to date. The Rye and pungent down under hops play well together. I cut FWH hops to .25 oz.
     
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