3 Tier System

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  1. brewbetter

    brewbetter Initiate (0) Jun 2, 2012 Nauru

    Are craft brewers generally for or against the 3 tier system? I would think they would be against it because it favors the big guys and prevents customers from getting their product as easily as possible, but I get the impression that most large craft brewers are totally satisfied and don't want to change the system that's working for them.
     
  2. VncentLIFE

    VncentLIFE Initiate (0) Feb 16, 2011 North Carolina

    Alot of the bigger craft brewers use the distribution network to distribute their beers. Some self-distribute, but some just throw it on the truck with others BMCs.
    I know Every national craft brewery that I can think of outside of Sweetwater uses Long, Tryon, or Ararat for RDU.
     
  3. htomsirveaux

    htomsirveaux Pooh-Bah (1,893) Feb 8, 2002 Texas
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    There's nothing wrong with a three tier system. Most products are delivered that way. The problem is that it's a mandate to use the current three tier system, not a choice.
     
  4. LiquidTable

    LiquidTable Initiate (0) May 3, 2011 Michigan

    The three tier system needs to be tweaked, not abolished. Most craft Brewers are for it, with some reforms...my rant/explanation is too long for 1am
     
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  5. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Here's Jim Koch's feeling about the three tier system, a review of his speech before the distributors' organization, the USBW. Although BBC now sells over 2m bbl/yr, Koch's speech concentrates on the experiences of his start-up era and the problems of today's small brewers.

    Also, as noted numerous times, there really is no one "Three tier system" there are 50 of 'em- the individual states' laws vary quite a bit and more than half of them allow small or all brewers to self-distribute - so the mandate noted above is hardly universal.

    In most of those states it's most likely that the majority of the craft brewers, once they grow large enough, choose to go with wholesalers - especially for in-state distribution outside their immediate region. Most brewers want to brew beer, not run warehouse and trucking/delivery firms, and larger distributing companies have an economic advantage delivering multiple brands at one time.
     
  6. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    I just wish you get get local beers for significantly less than the other competitors.. The 3 tier system sort of prevents low prices for local beers that in theory should be cheaper as the shipping expense is minuscule. That's my only complaint.
     
  7. OneBeertoRTA

    OneBeertoRTA Initiate (0) Jan 2, 2010 California

    Great article, thanks for posting.

    He really nailed it when he brought up spirits and wine. While beer and wine are fortunate enough to skirt many state and local excise tax increases we can look at wine and see what it does to distributors that have to carry brands without equity. It is the premium and super premium segments that drive spirits and spread margin across the tiers. 35% of the beer market is reaching but it can be acheived with the right partnership across the chain.
     
  8. tozerm

    tozerm Initiate (0) Jul 1, 2005 Washington

    Breweries that only want their beers distributed within a very small geographic area surrounding their brewery would be the ones who are against the three-tier system. Otherwise the logistics are simply unsustainable. Paying a salesperson, a delivery person, and a bookkeeper to keep track of all the sales would add significant costs to a wholesale beer. Thus the need for a three-tier system. The middleman pays the sales reps, drivers, and bookkeepers; it's much more cost effective for them to have a portfolio of brands rather than a single brand. That's why single brand distributors don't exist. As has been said before, it isn't the three-tier system itself that is the problem. It's the laws laid upon the system in each individual state that can create issues. Breweries self-distributing are faced with the law of diminishing returns, so once they reach a certain production level it just isn't cost effective any more to self-distribute. That's a fundamental part of business, not a flaw with the three-tier system itself.
     
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  9. tozerm

    tozerm Initiate (0) Jul 1, 2005 Washington

    Shipping costs aren't necessarily that much less for local breweries. If you break the overall freight cost down by the number of cases in a given load, bringing full containers of beer across the country can be significantly less per case than shipping 1 pallet 100 miles away. Besides, even if a brewery is very close to the distributor, and the distributor sends their own truck to pick it up, they still add a freight allowance into the FOB cost of the beer. That freight plus the excise taxes bring it to the "laid in" cost. Distributor margins are always calculated using "laid in" rather than the cost at the brewery (FOB brewery).
     
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  10. OneBeertoRTA

    OneBeertoRTA Initiate (0) Jan 2, 2010 California

    Exactly.
    Supplier picks up the FET and the distributor takes the State and local excise taxes. DI all rests with the distributor.

    There in lies the question whether distributors are more efficient and effective than suppliers with big houses distributing themselves. One can not argue that having key competitors under the same distributor house isn't advantageous.
    It will be interesting to see what happens in WA state with Coscto. I highly doubt any of the big suppliers will go around their distributors in favor of the retailer distributing.
     
  11. gointomexico

    gointomexico Initiate (0) Mar 4, 2006 Colorado

    As a nano brewer, I am against someone forcing me to use the three teir system.
     
  12. winbassett

    winbassett Initiate (0) Sep 10, 2010 North Carolina

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