8% alcohol but no buzz?

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by Javusa, Apr 21, 2013.

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  1. Javusa

    Javusa Initiate (0) Apr 21, 2013

    Hi all,

    Just had some of my coffee porter which came out, after the final reading, to about 8% AV.

    Problem is that I drink a glass and nothing happens. No buzz, no discerning alcohol feeling, nothing.

    There is no even a hint of alcohol in the taste or in the nose when I drink it!!

    Wouldn't want to be seen as a drunk as I appreciate other aspects of my brew not just how it affects me alcohol wise but this is just bothering to the point obsession. I don't understand it!

    I am wondering; could it be the coffee in the brew which is somehow counteracting the alcohol to the point of diminishing it somehow?

    Here's the recipe to give you guys a more complete understanding of what it may be?

    6 lbs. Dark liquid malt extract
    8 oz. Carapils,
    8 oz. Black malt specialty grains,
    1 oz. Willamette, 1 oz. Fuggle pellet hops (I don't think this matters but I included anyway)
    6oz medium grind medium roast coffee at about 20/25 before the end of boil.

    I also put into the brewing kettle 1lb of extra sugars to achieve this alcohol range (8oz brown sugar and 8oz of honey) added at about 20m before end of boil.

    The yeast I used was the following: Fermentis Safale S-04 dry yeast, 1 packet.
    Before adding the yeast and wort, I poured 2 well rounded double shots of espresso of the same coffee as in the boil.

    The wort fermented vigorously almost right after pitching and when on for about 2 days to diminish in another one or so.

    I know it looks like the hell of a lot coffee but I did not have an exact recipe and went by feeling on this one. The beer, before priming, has a very accentuated coffee taste but it is more than drinkable with the other ingredients matching the final bouquet in the mouth almost perfectly!

    Besides, I don't mind the coffee at all but again, could it be this much coffee the reason of this lack of punch for this brew????

    I hope somebody can share some light into this soon.

    Thanks a lot.

    jayc
     
  2. Xul

    Xul Pooh-Bah (2,139) May 18, 2008 California
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    What was the size of the batch, and what were your OG and FG? If it was a 5 gallon batch, your OG would be ~1.051 and you would've been lucky to get 5% ABV considering what portion of dark LME tends to be unfermentable.

    Also, you generally don't want to boil coffee, but that would be a taste issue, not a gravity issue.
     
  3. WeaponTheyFear

    WeaponTheyFear Initiate (0) Mar 9, 2008 Connecticut

    How big of a batch was the recipe for? I just plugged the numbers into Beersmith and only came out with 5.2% ABV assuming a 5 gallon batch. What was your OG and FG?
     
  4. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    No.
    As others asked, what was your batch size?
     
  5. kjyost

    kjyost Initiate (0) May 4, 2008 Canada (MB)

    Wow. I just had a single 330 mL of a 6.2% commercial beer and am right buzzed (had lunch 3 hours ago, and likely am a little dehydrated from earlier coffee consumption). To not feel a supposed 8% beer? That's a little surprising.

    As WeaponTheyFear suggests, care to give us an OG / FG. I hope this isn't your ABV marking on your hydrometer :slight_smile:
     
  6. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    You're a beast!
     
  7. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    i am fairly sure you would not achieve 8% with this brew. it is possible your gravity readings are not accurate, and considering we got 98% but not the most important OG and FG, its almost a certainty you will need to drink 2 or 3 to feel it the way you are expecting. it's not that something is wrong with this beer, just your expectations.

    OG and FG?
     
  8. barfdiggs

    barfdiggs Initiate (0) Mar 22, 2011 California

    I put this into beersmith as a 5 gallon batch, extract with steeping and S-04 for yeast.

    O.G. 1.052
    F.G. (est) 1.010
    ABV 5.5%

    OP Definitely not 8% if a 5 gallon batch. Drink a couple to get the required buzz.
     
  9. Javusa

    Javusa Initiate (0) Apr 21, 2013

    Hey guys,

    Thanks a lot for your prompt replies! Do you guys have a life?....just kidding...thanks, really...

    Ok here's more info:

    I ended up with a 6 gallon batch once I finished topping off the carboy (I guess I did not measure the gallon scale rightly on the carboy) I actually think this is the way to go. I mean, why have only 5 gallons when you can have 6???!!!!!

    Anyway, the first reading after cooling the wort taken with one of those store bought hydrometers was:

    1070 adjusted to temp which was at around 98 degrees came out to be about 1075 (according to the included guide) the last reading came up to 1010 (-3 notches down as it was not exactly marking the 1010 reading but rather a few notches down)

    And yeah, I am starting to think I am not anywhere near that 8% that measurement gave me at all !!!!!

    Also, Inchrisin are you referring to me about the "you're a beast comment?? I'll take it man!

    Thanks again guys!
     
  10. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Did you measure the gravity before you topped off with water?
     
  11. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Starting with barfdiggs' estimated OG of 1.052 in 5 gallons, that would have been about 1.048 in 6 gallons. Assuming your OG was 1.010, that's right around 5% ABV.
     
  12. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    The math on this recipe is making my o.c.d. itch. Something is way off.
     
  13. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I'm guessing the only thing off was the OG reading, whether it was because it was taken before topping off, or possibly after topping off but not mixed well.
     
  14. Javusa

    Javusa Initiate (0) Apr 21, 2013

    I don't remember if I measured before or after topping of with water. I wonder if this makes such a big difference??

    So, what is the close to logical verdict here? I figure I am not even near that original 8% AV I thought I had but then....what gives? Where did i go wrong?

    Should I assume I have something around that 5% AV mark somebody mentioned? Then, what happened to all those extra sugars I added to the boil? In other words, what does it take to get a brew to that 8% I though I had?

    Doubling everything on my list of original ingredients perhaps?

    I really want to know for my next batch. Thanks guys!
     
  15. barfdiggs

    barfdiggs Initiate (0) Mar 22, 2011 California

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  16. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,421) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    Among other reasons, you would lower the alcohol by about 16.6% - a characteristic that appears to be important to you. For example, a recipe that yields 5 gallons with 6% alcohol would only be 5% if you watered it down to 6 gallons. Not to mention the hit to the body and flavor. That said, it would still be beer. (Vikeman, 5.2% would become about 4.4% after watering it down - you probably didn't take into account that the FG would also be affected)

    Yours sounds like 4.5%, give or take, trusting most of the Math above (I didn't do it, myself). Everybody's different, but I wouldn't get much of a buzz from a single glass of that. FYI, coffee doesn't counteract the intoxicating effect of alcohol. It just makes you less likely to fall asleep.

    As you already seem to be aware, that's a boat load of coffee in that beer! My sweet spot is about 2 oz of coarsely ground beans in 5 gallons but if you want a stronger coffee flavor, you're certainly free to use more. I would strongly advise against adding coffee to the boil (there's a reason coffeemakers don't boil the coffee). I cold steep mine overnight, then add it straight to the keg. The fermenter or the bottling bucket would also be fine if you're bottling.
     
  17. tngolfer

    tngolfer Initiate (0) Feb 16, 2012 Tennessee

    The reason we typically brew 5-5.5 gallon batches and use a 6.5 gallon fermenter is to provide headspace for the krausen. If you use an airlock you are asking for an explosion. If you use a blow off hose you are going to lose some contents and be right back to 5-5.5 gallons anyway.

    Also, most recipes given are based on 5 gallons.
     
  18. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    It makes a huge difference. A hydrometer measures the concentration of dissolved sugars in the wort. The same total sugars in only half the wort would yield double the gravity. But as soon as you top off with water, the concentration goes down. And thus the potential alcohol goes down.

    The root of your problem was expecting that recipe to produce an 8% ABV beer. You had nowhere near the amount of fermentables needed. Why did you think you did? Or asked another way... what did you think the ABV was going to be before you started brewing it?

    Yes. That's why somebody (or a couple of somebodies) mentioned it.

    All those extra sugars (the brown sugar and the sugars in the honey) added about 0.007 to your true original gravity in 6 gallons. Although all of the sugars in the gravity that the brown sugar and honey provided are fermentable, that's only enough to raise your ABV by well under a percent in 6 gallons.

    Just doubling everything will give you roughly double the ABV, but it's usually a bad way to formulate a recipe. I'd recommend you start with a good, established recipe (someone else's), or a recipe kit, and brew it. Learn more before formulating your own.

    You should read www.howtobrew.com before your next batch. If you do, you'll understand everything that has been said in this thread.
     
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  19. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    This post just made me feel real bad about the tolerance level I have. Please tell me you weigh like 140lbs or something.
     
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  20. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    topping off with extra water dilutes your recipe (which lowers OG, and alcohol yield). full boils yield better beer, and less top-off water (if you have to top off) is also better.
     
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