87% attenuation WLP001

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  1. TastyAdventure

    TastyAdventure Initiate (0) Nov 13, 2012 Kentucky

    So just took this gravity reading.... 1.008 down from 1.065! I'd like to avoid this next time... I just want some normal attn of 75-78% ish! I have constantly been getting very high attn.

    I mashed at 152 (not on purpose, I normally mash at 158-160 to get the least amount of attn possible)

    Grain bill: 2 row, 8% biscuit malt, 3% carapils.
    Fermented right around 68, conditioned for 4 weeks at 66 F.

    So I'm just wondering... Why 87%?? And has anyone else seen this with this strain?

    Bonus question! (Unrelated): my gravity sample was very sweet. I used a cocktail of small amounts of 4 different hops bittering, and 1/4 Oz Nelson Sauvin (3 gal batch) at 5 min. (The wort post boil was pretty bitter!)
     
  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Are you using a hydrometer or a refractometer? If refractometer, which calculator are you using?

    Also, how long are you mashing? Are you mashing out? And if not, how long is your lauter taking and how long until you get the temp in the kettle up into the 170F+ range?
     
  3. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    chico strain can be a beast of a strain...those variables vikeman mention sound like easily feasible culprits.
     
  4. ericj551

    ericj551 Pooh-Bah (1,638) Apr 29, 2004 Canada (AB)
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    Any chance your thermomenter was off? A few years back I had a string of batches with higher than average attenuation, then I realized my thermometer was reading high, so when I mashed at 152, it was closer to 148.
     
  5. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    For single infusion mashes, there's data to show that 152F results in a more attenuable wort than 148F. (Both Greg Doss' and Kai Troester's work.)
     
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  6. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    I have not read their work but I know it is part of what you have implemented in BrewCipher and it is predicting very close attenuation results for me at given mash temps. (Though I do realize your spreadsheet takes into account a host of other factors as well).
     
  7. TastyAdventure

    TastyAdventure Initiate (0) Nov 13, 2012 Kentucky

    I use a hydrometer. It is calibrated. My thermometer might be 1-2 degrees higher than actual at most.

    I mash for an hour. I mash out for 10 min. Running off usually takes 10-15 min. I've never thought about how long it takes to heat up my wort... It can't be too long...
     
  8. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Hmmm...based on this (and assuming your mashout gets your wort into the vicinity of 170F) , it does sound like your attenuation was a little high.
     
  9. TastyAdventure

    TastyAdventure Initiate (0) Nov 13, 2012 Kentucky

    Yeah this is happening on a regular basis, even when I mash 158-160!!

    How does a mash out effect atten?
     
  10. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Mashing out kills off remaining enzymes faster, so they can't keep working on breaking larger dextrins into fermentable sugars (or maltotriose into maltose and glucose). Basically, if you don't mash out, you're effectively doing a longer mash.
     
  11. TastyAdventure

    TastyAdventure Initiate (0) Nov 13, 2012 Kentucky

    Ahhh.... Thanks Vikeman! Maybe I should do 45 min mashes?? Or would that negatively effect efficiency?
     
  12. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Shorter mashes don't necessarily have a lot of impact on efficiency. Under normal circumstance, with decent diastatic power, conversion from starches to sugars/dextrins happens fairly quickly.
     
  13. TastyAdventure

    TastyAdventure Initiate (0) Nov 13, 2012 Kentucky

    Interesting. I will mash shorter. Gotta be careful though, I just did a 45% wheat malt Hefe and my efficiency was 66%. Batch before that (highest ever thanks to mashing out full 10 min and doing 2 batch sparges as opposed to one) was a 82%! War higher than my average 65-70.
    Think the diastic power wasn't high enough in all that wheat? (And two row).
     
  14. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    Generally speaking, wheat has more diastetic power than north amerian 2 row. Both of which are great sources.
     
  15. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    I was having the same "over-attenuation" problem . . . mostly with 1056 but some Belgian strains as well. My symptoms: just about everything was finishing at 1.004 - .005. When I used 3522 the same results, very low FGs. I was washing and reusing my yeast but everything looked normal. I did use 1056 seven times, and the last starter had the most magnificent krausen possible. Looks and aroma of the yeast were perfect and the finished brew had no off tastes, just a very low FG. I was winning awards with my beer, the only noted flaw was "thin body".

    I suspected an infection in the yeast or equipment so did a very thorough sanitation of everything . . . no help. Re-calibrated thermo and hydro . . . no help. Mashed higher . . . no help. Did a mash-out/skipped mash-out . . . no help. In the middle of all of this I made a lager with dry yeast and it finished at 1.015 (hallelujah!). This made me suspect the washed-yeast, but even harvested yeast was finishing too low (first time use). Finally I cleaned the equipment until it begged for mercy and pitched a new pack of 1056 . . . it finished at 1.017.

    My conclusion was some the yeast was infected by some wild strain that took it down lower than wanted. No off tastes, just a thin-bodied beer. Maybe the equipment passed it on to different strains (I use multiple primaries), difficult to track. My recommendation: an extra deep cleaning and pitching a completely different (new) strain. If that doesn't work then it's time to buy a new primary and whatever else is common in your post-boil brew process.
     
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