90 min boil always needed with Pilsner malt?

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by Jesse14, Mar 23, 2015.

Tags:
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Jesse14

    Jesse14 Initiate (0) Jul 21, 2011 Massachusetts

    I know I'm being lazy but I have to ask. I want to use Pilsner as my base malt in my next IPA. My brew day is already long with a hop stand and slow transfer with all the trub/hop material. I really don't want to add another 30 minutes to my boil if I don't have to. I know you want to try and get rid of DMS precursors with a rolling 90 min boil any time you use pilsner malt. However, is it still necessary if you use it in an IPA or something that is not as delicate in flavor as a lager. Guess I'm just looking to see if others have cut that corner with no issues.

    30 minutes is gold with a house full of screaming kids and a wife looking for backup.
     
    Jones153 likes this.
  2. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
    Pooh-Bah

    A friend does a strong 75 minute boil with good results.
     
    ChrisMyhre and herrburgess like this.
  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
    Society Pooh-Bah

    I always use a 75 minute boil when I brew with Pilsner Malt and I have never experienced any issues with DMS.

    Cheers!

    P.S. Jeff (@hopfenunmaltz ), am I that "friend" here!?!:slight_smile:
     
  4. ChrisMyhre

    ChrisMyhre Initiate (0) Sep 15, 2013 Massachusetts

    I also generally use 75 minute boils with pilsner malt.
     
  5. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
    Pooh-Bah

    I have flaked out and forgot that I was using Pils malt (Weyerman Bo Pils) and only did a 60 minute boil, not had any problems and I am somewhat ashamed to admit that this flaking out has happened more than once. It must be the 3 kids and a wife looking for backup :slight_smile:
     
    Smokebox_79 likes this.
  6. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Just did a 10 gal batch of wit / saison that got racked to secondary for fruiting (wit) and bretting (saison) and neither had any signs of DMS. I boiled hard for 60 min on purpose just to see if DMS showed up. So far so good.
     
  7. MLucky

    MLucky Initiate (0) Jul 31, 2010 California

    If time is really at a premium, you might consider using pils extract. No DMS issues, no 90 minutes of mashing and sparging, no 90 minute boil. And I doubt anyone could taste the difference in an IPA.

    But if you're using up some spare pils malt or whatever, I doubt DMS would be a problem with a strong 60 minute boil. If it was me, I'd probably try to do 75 minutes just to be on the safe side, but I would think you've got some room for error in an IPA.
     
  8. witster18

    witster18 Initiate (0) Aug 23, 2006 Tennessee

    dms boils off just about every grain within 40-45 min. 60 min is fine. how vigorous the boil does matter though... a slow roil say just under actual boil temp may not even do it after an hr, but any boil for longer than 45min at above 220 will get rid of all dms... the rest of the boil times are really just for clarity purposes
     
  9. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
    Pooh-Bah

    Ive never had an issue with 60 minute boils and Pils malt.
     
  10. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
    Pooh-Bah

    Only if your first name is Bob.
     
    JackHorzempa likes this.
  11. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
    Pooh-Bah

    I generally do 90 min boils, but I confess to never having tasted DMS in beer. I could probably save on my brew day length and fuel use.
     
  12. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    90 minutes certainly reduces a significantly larger portion vs. 60 minutes, but 60 minutes generally gets the job done well enough for most palates (including my own).
     
    #12 koopa, Mar 24, 2015
    Last edited: Mar 24, 2015
  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
    Society Pooh-Bah

    Have you produced a number of batches where you conducted a 60 minute boil for a wort that was from Pilsner Malt? If so, how many batches? How vigorous were your boils?

    Cheers!
     
  14. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    A few on my home system where the boil is rarely very vigorous (although I get 8% evaporation in 60 minutes) and lots at my work where we get about 3% evaporation in 60 minutes on our 15 bbl system (although it looks intense!).
     
    JackHorzempa likes this.
  15. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    Unless you're using a pressure cooker, or are below sea level, you will never achieve a temp above 212°.
     
  16. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
    Society Pooh-Bah

    Thanks for that input! It sounds reasonable to me, based upon this input, that perhaps only a 60 minute boil is needed for a Pilsner Malt wort.

    Cheers!
     
  17. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    FWIW my experience is limited to Weyermann "Bohemian Pilsner Malt" specifically.
     
    JackHorzempa likes this.
  18. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
    Society Pooh-Bah

    I have homebrewed many times with the Weyermann 'regular' Pilsner Malt; I have zero experience with their Bohemian version.

    You have a good point that boil length could be malt type specific.

    Hmmm?

    Cheers!
     
  19. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    I 'reckon you could get boiling wort to that temp about a mile underground or so.
     
    ChrisMyhre likes this.
  20. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
    Pooh-Bah

    Or if the sugar content is really high.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.