A Barley Wine for Every Day

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  1. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Glad you're back - and with a bang.
     
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  2. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Can't wait. :slight_smile:
     
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  3. deadsincebirth

    deadsincebirth Initiate (0) Jul 24, 2014 Illinois

    It is quite the task to drink a barleywine every day for a month. My favorite style but the wife claims she doesn't like them and my buddies can give or take them. Im glad and saddened by barleywines mostly unpopular reputation. On one hand they are easier to trade for than say a BA Stout or sour, but on the other hand, there is no excitement for them in my beer circle (for the most part). Been looking at a few bottles of J. W. Lee's Harvest Ale at the liquor store for a while and I think I'm going to pick them up.
     
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  4. utopiajane

    utopiajane Grand Pooh-Bah (3,982) Jun 11, 2013 New York
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    Finally a local to contribute th this thread! Cheers @zid for a tremendous tasting thread!


    I felt so chintzy about offering only one beer to it and not even a local, that I had to go out and find this beer here! Druid Fluid form Middle Ages in Syracuse. I tend to shy away from this style because it's not that easy to drink with abv's that usually top 10 percent. This one is just under at 9.5 and that makes a tremendous difference in the hop presence that you can offer to the palate.

    Here is the beer-

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    Pours hazy at first then clearing. A sweet orange. Eye candy really with a fat head of creamy tan foam that lasted very well. Nose is light toffee and caramel with some crackery and breaddy scents as well. They used six different malts in this beer but they don't tell you which ones on their website. Hops are herbal and citric but not terribly citric so I think beer has some age on it. There is a good amount of ticklish or tangy hop spice to greet the nose as well as a very firm herbal that does not outshine the malt even though it is quite prominent.

    The taste really surprised me. The mouthfeel is a a creamy and smooth malt with layers of complexity that unfolds on the palate after an initial citric burst of flavor. These hops are integral to keeping the perception of lightness in the mouthfeel. The bitterness is firm but not prominent and that is just enough to give a slight flourish at the front palate while the silken malt slides gracefully to the finish. No alcohol on the palate and in the finish just a bit of warmth. As the beer warms the malt shows a bit of nuttiness. This drinks with only a bit of sweetness in the finish and plenty of hops to carry it through, nothing cloying or syrupy.

    Outstanding and Excellent!
     
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  5. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    While the song "Alcohol" only mentions "barley wine ", Davies also wrote the lyric "We are the Draught Beer Preservation Society..." in the song "The Village Green Preservation Society" which came out 3 years earlier (1968) and so predated the founding of CAMRA but several years after the founding of the similarly named Society for the Preservation of Beers from the Wood.

    As for other Kink beer references, the cover for the album which contained "Alcohol", Muswell Hillbillies, was a photo of The Kinks in a pub, 3 of whom are clearly drinking from Nonic pints.

    I'm pretty sure the Kinks song "Alcohol" was the first time I heard the "barley wine" term and I think my reaction at the time was probably "WTF? 'Barley'+ 'wine' ?" and probably was the same as when I first heard Traffic's "John Barleycorn Must Die" a couple of years earlier.

    As for those "old ladies": When my buddy (RIP) and I did our own "beer tour" of the UK in the mid-80s, I was armed with a list of bottled beers I was going to bring home (since we were exclusively drinking draught real ale while there, of course), which included beers like Bass No. 1, Courage Imperial Russian Stout and Whitbread Gold Label, all of which were bottled in 5-7 oz. "splits". Several times in those brewers' tied houses we were told they didn't stock them because only "old ladies" drank them. We were told a similar story when we ordered half pints in free houses with multiple beers on tap.





     
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  6. CyriousBeer

    CyriousBeer Initiate (0) May 7, 2013 New York

    I know this isn't an "every day" barley wine, but I had to share this with fellow BAs. Yesterday, a friend shared a 23 year old barley wine that he brewed when he first got into home brewing. He's continued to taste it over the years, and he said it's evolved from one of the worst things he ever brewed into one of the best. The complexity of the aroma and taste were unlike anything I've ever experienced - earth, grass, leather, tobacco leaf (think the best cigar you've ever had), figs, maple. No sweetness, and the after taste lingered for minutes after each sip. I can only imagine what this would have been like with some barrel character.

    It was a game changer for me. I don't think I'll ever let something go for 20+ years, but the only thing I can equate it to was the first time I had a perfectly cellar Bourdeax.
     
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  7. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Awesome Jess. Be careful, your interests beyond beer are showing. I've never heard of SPBW! You failed to mention the daylight spilling into the bar on the album cover... great for a photograph, and also great for a sense of drinking culture outside of America - where daytime drinking is barely accompanied by any light. :wink: Wish you would have saved a Bass No 1 for me.
     
  8. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Great post. Any barrel character would have probably gotten in the way.
     
  9. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Thanks utopiajane. Would love to try this.
     
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  10. Newport_beerguy

    Newport_beerguy Pooh-Bah (1,860) Feb 24, 2011 Rhode Island
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    Before I forget, picture from Friday. This is an outstanding BW Rising Tide releases 800 bottles of just after Thanksgiving on a yearly basis (only since 2013). The first version was an oak aged barleywine mixed with a fresh hoppy ale but obviously that may not be the best for cellaring, so the past few years it has been a blend of fresh BW ale with oak aged BW ale. The straight oak adds a great edge to the beer. Can't wait to save the other 2015 bottle for my vertical.

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  11. zappoman

    zappoman Initiate (0) Apr 29, 2014 Illinois

    Revolution's annual Straight Jacket release happened, recently.

    I drank a 2 year old bottle that I had. Straight candy.

    The brewery had it on nitro with coffee. It was just as good as the GI BCBBW with coffee randal I had at FOBAB. In fact, because of the nitro, I felt it was even better than GI.
     
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  12. ecpho

    ecpho Savant (1,183) Mar 28, 2011 New York

    Where did you get more Archibald? - or did you stock up originally?
     
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  13. RogelioRodriguez

    RogelioRodriguez Initiate (0) Nov 7, 2015 California

    JW Lee's Harvest Ale...get one on that list.
     
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  14. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    I had three... down to one. Decicco's Ardsley might still have some. They were purchased there over time and it felt like I was the only one buying them.
     
  15. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    I am drawn to that old "stock ale" approach.
     
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  16. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Howdy folks.

    I've resurrected this thread just so I can properly put a stake through its heart. I have had a few more relevant beers since my last post and I plan to mention all of them shortly. For now, it's "New Beer Sunday", and I've opened a barley wine.

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    Port Jeff - Cold North Wind, Apple Brandy Barrel version

    The one time I visited this brewery, I had a flight of many of their beers. Their Cold North Wind barley wine was my favorite of the lot. It was very approachable for a barley wine. I left the brewery with one 22 under arm - their Apple Brandy Barrel version of the same beer. Less than a year has passed since that moment, but the beer in my glass today seems very different from the "un-aged" version had at the brewery.

    It's a nice mahogany color. Carbonation is in a very good place for the style. The alcohol in this beer announces itself right at the start. It feels much boozier than the 9.5 stated on the label. Perhaps this is the result of influence of "apple brandy." I've never had apple brandy, but I've had beers aged in apple brandy barrels before. Taste is: sweet, rich, alcohol, fruit, grains, and slight oxidation. It's decadent. I could see someone really liking this beer as an after-dinner treat, but I find the alcohol presence gets in the way. You do get accustomed to it, but the rewards don't feel exceptionally high once you do. On the other hand, there's some big character here. It's listed here as an American barley wine. If I didn't know that, I'd call it "English" despite the barrel aging.

    Cheers.
     
  17. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    So... a while back, I threw in that McEwans bottle when I was supposedly wrapping up the thread, and it occurred to me: "I ignored Scotch ales the entire time." I was thinking of an old post by Ron Pattinson, where he claimed that he wouldn't want to define the difference between a strong ale, old ale, barley wine, scotch ale, burton ale, and stock ale... you get the picture. At one point he jested that they were all the same thing. At some point after me thinking about this, I responded with the following post in a thread about "Irish Reds":
    I couldn't keep the "Scotch ales / Wee Heavies / 12 Guinea ales" out of this thread any longer.

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    The McEwans beer was one that I really liked when I had it previously. It's very dark. It's sweet, relatively simple, easy to drink, tasty... and I'd even go as far as to say that it's frail compared to other beers in the category. It's a nice beer.

    Looking back to others I've enjoyed in the past, I initially grabbed a Founders Dirty Bastard. Frankly, it's been so long since this event that I no longer feel like I remember my reactions... except that Dirty Bastard agrees with me less and less the more I have it. Here's a pic anyway:
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    Following through with others I've enjoyed before:
    I had a Cottrell Perry's Revenge on tap... which I recall even less... not a good sign. Sorry, no pic.
    I grabbed a Dark Horse Scotty Karate single, and then told the person at the check out that I no longer wanted it when I realized it was $7 a bottle. No thanks.

    I did splurge on Traquair House Ale though. How can anyone resist that?
    That beer was a beautiful dark brown color. (Sorry, no pic again.) Carbonation was very soft. The beer is on the thinner side given the style. There was a slight smell of oxidation. It was fruity without being overly sweet. Ultimately, malty and delicious. A treat.

    Eventually, I arrived at a beer that was new to me:
    Magic Hat's Champ
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    This beer was a dull ruby brown. Carbonation was prickly. The malt presence was unsatisfying and there was a bitterness that didn't really work with the beer. A lackluster brew.
     
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  18. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Barley wines somehow rarely hit their mark when I have them on tap. I think this is mainly due to me and whatever mood I'm in when at a bar. Barley wines go so well with one's living room.

    I don't have pics of any of these, but in one night at a bar, I drank:

    - Bear Republic Olde Scoutter's (a disappointing and harsh beer)
    - Brooklyn Monster (I enjoyed this beer back when it used to be bottled, I can't tell if they are still making it for keg only... bars always advertise it as being an aged keg, but I'm not sure I buy it)
    - Against the Grain "This Is Not a Beer" (whoah, this was really unusual, tasted like berries, weird and quite nice)

    I can't say I was in the mood for all three of these, but I did it for science.
     
  19. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    I managed to travel to Pennsylvania, and when I get a little south of NY, I always look for Duck-Rabbit.

    Lucky me, I grabbed two singles fit for this thread.

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    Duck-Rabbit Wee Heavy

    This beer missed the mark for me. (Apologies for the slim reactions... I'm firmly in the "too much time has passed" mode of this thread).

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    Duck-Rabbit Barleywine

    Yikes, this beer was a home run. Absolutely delicious. It's listed here as an "English" barley wine, but I'd put it in the American camp. This is probably the American barley wine that suits me better than any other one I've tried. It's not brash with the hops (hence it's classification here as English), but the distinctive hops are most certainly there. Bigger and bolder than the Wee Heavy. I seriously wish this was available in my neck of the woods.
     
  20. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Southern Tier Back Burner

    This beer was a total surprise. I went into it with little expectations. The beer was very interesting. Darker than most 12 oz barley wines. There was an unusual fruitiness to it. A sweetness quite different from other barley wines. One that I'd like to revisit down the road to get a better reading of it. Hopefully, they'll continue to produce it (in this format). A very nice beer. One of a kind.
     
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