Adding a beer that already exists, but has changed

Talk Discussion in 'BeerAdvocate Talk' started by itracy63, Jul 7, 2014.

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  1. itracy63

    itracy63 Savant (1,187) Apr 20, 2013 Washington

    Wondering how this works, and how to do it. The 2010 Bar Fly by Midnight Sun was aged in red wine barrels. The latest release was aged in bourbon barrels. Bar Fly has moved back to the current beer list from the archived list, but IMO, aren't the same beer.
     
  2. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,071) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
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    They are usually handled on a case by case basis - whether or not the recipe for the beer has had substantial changes and if the brewer views it as a "new" beer depends on whether the same entry is used or a new entry is used (the fact that the brewer kept the same name for the beer is usually an indication they think of it as the same beer). Otherwise, it is worthwhile to provide an update which can be added to the Notes section that indicates the batches/years and types of barrels.
     
  3. IcemanCometh

    IcemanCometh Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2012 Massachusetts

    I have a specific issue with this (kind of the opposite actually) that could be addressed by the mods, it bothers me every time I visit the Jack's Abby page. There are multiple listings of Coffee Barrel Aged Framinghammer and Vanilla barrel Aged Framinghammer. I think the confusion is that the labels (from last years release) didn't say bourbon barrel aged but according to the brewery they all were. Same with the cherry Berliner Braun, they were all barrel aged.

    Thanks!
     
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  4. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    Don't assume that just because it exists it means that it's okay/approved. Use the report feature for any erroneous listings.
     
  5. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,071) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
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    I can verify that those duplicates have been reported (a couple of times) and are in the queue for processing.
     
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  6. Alieniloquium

    Alieniloquium Grand Pooh-Bah (3,862) Dec 16, 2008 Florida
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    While a different name usually indicates that the brewer views that beer as different, that the name remains the same does not imply the brewer views it as the same beer. Bar Fly, the beer in question, now specifies that it is aged in Bourbon Barrels, which is a clear distinction from the original batch. I think it's just a convention of how they label their beers. Hunahpu variants are still called Hunahpu, just with the extra information on the bottle indicating which barrels they used. Just trying to justify why I added Bourbon Bar Fly as a separate entry.

    As a contradiction to the "new name-new beer" rule, Toppling Goliath released Light Speed recently, which is exactly the same beer as Millennium Falcon, but was never bottled and distributed. I could use some confirmation here, but my understanding is that the beer's name had to be changed for packaging due to copyright issues. In this situation, there beer has a new name, but is the same beer, so should it not be aliased?

    I have submitted updates for Light Speed and the Vanilla Framinghammer that was mention previously by @IcemanCometh , but I often don't know if I'm just being overzealous in my desire for consistency and organization on this site. I realize that you're overwhelmed with the task of keeping up with these things, but is there any way that we can be told why our update was rejected? That way I don't keep using the same faulty logic on different beers?
     
  7. Sludgeman

    Sludgeman Grand Pooh-Bah (3,356) Aug 17, 2012 District of Columbia
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    A related question - What about a beer that is regularly sold in kegs and bottles but you find it on cask into which the brewer added some additional flavoring. For example - Flying Dog Doggie Style Pale Ale on cask with citra hops. What do folks do? Add or not add? Maybe I should just be satisfied that I had a very tasty beer for lunch :grinning:
     
  8. Ckoz

    Ckoz Savant (1,174) Feb 15, 2014 Michigan
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    Somewhat Related: is there any way a user can distinguish what format they have in their W/G/FT? Case in point Black Note 750ml. Would love to narrow down who might have one or want one instead of having to post an ISO just to find out. (Unless this already exists?)
     
  9. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,071) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
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    According to the article recently posted by @Todd http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/how-to-add-beers-on-beeradvocate.193134/ you do not add that as a separate entry (it is an infused cask version of the same beer) - though if I have one of these I generally note it in the review.
     
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  10. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,071) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
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    Not currently possible, no idea if this is planned for the future - recommend using one of the many beer cellar management websites out there for things like this (there are a fair number of BAs that use them and have the link on their profile - it also allows for vintage and quantity in it).
     
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  11. gillagorilla

    gillagorilla Pooh-Bah (2,691) Feb 27, 2013 Maryland
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    I figure I'd ask here instead of starting up a new thread. DuClaw's Colossus was just re-released for the first time since 2011, but the ABV has dropped from 21.92% to 17.3%? But the name has stayed the same and their website has no mention of the older ABV. I guess this beer would just have the brew years and ABV listed next to them like some beers have in their notes.

    I was thinking that a 5% ABV change might be worth a new designation, with the 2006/2011 21.92% batches being retired, since there have major hiatuses between brews of this beer, and there being a new Colossus (2014) or Colossus (17.3%) beer added to show the difference.
     
  12. LambicPentameter

    LambicPentameter Initiate (0) Aug 29, 2012 Nebraska

    Also adding a question to this thread rather than starting a new one. I read Todd's article, and I don't think it fully covers the question I have.

    The beer in question is the Boulevard/Sierra Nevada collaboration, Terra Incognita. The beer is listed under Boulevard (who brewed the beer in 2013) the way all other collaborations are, with Sierra Nevada's name in the beer title. However, this year, Terra Incognita was released again, but brewed by Sierra Nevada. It's basically the same recipe (only difference is a lack of Brettanomyces in the 2014 version), but I wondered if the fact that it's brewed by a different brewer meant that the 2014 version should be listed under Sierra Nevada.

    I would just add it, but the erroneous listings drive me just as crazy as the next guy. I don't want to be part of the problem.
     
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  13. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,071) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
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    From DuClaw's own website and description, I think this is the same beer/same recipe but rather when dealing with very high ABV beers completely achieved via fermentation it is going to be tough to get the same result each time.

    I have added notes to the beer listing to describe the different ABVs from 2011 and 2014.
     
  14. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,071) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
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    Might be best to see if @Todd has an opinion on this one... I would be tempted to say that it should be another listing considering the fact that it is brewed at a different brewery and the lack of brett.
     
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