Adding additional water before bottling

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  1. deleted_user_1007501

    deleted_user_1007501 Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2015

    Hey all!
    I brewed, what was intended to be, a 5-gal batch of an IPA and it's ready to bottle tomorrow. However, after the boil, fermenting, and dry hopping, there is maybe at best around 4 gallons left. This has been the case for my past two brews, but hey have both been successful yet very, very flavorful. This time I really want to have a full 5 gallons to work with so I will have an abundance to share! Is it uncommon to add a gallon of boiled water + the priming sugar to get the proper gallon amount? Will it dilute any flavor?
     
  2. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    adding water to finished beer will indeed dilute the beer. why wouldn't it? this is uncommon but not unheard of. some brewers adjust to hit a target gravity, but typical brewers just accept what they get and learn for next time.

    a few things to keep in mind.
    • most would agree that it is better to have a big 4 gallon IPA over a somewhat watery 5 gallon IPA. it will likely become a PA. less color less bitter less aroma less abv. since an IPA is more of everything, this is a step backwards.
    • as you get better at brewing you will have a better feel for your process. you will know what to do to get 5 gallons in time.
    • 4 gallons is a lot of beer. 5 is more, but 4 is a lot.
    • major macro brewers routinely use "high gravity brewing". basically do what you are proposing. and homebrewing is by definition the opposite of macro brewing. just saying.
    • any water you add should be boiled to remove oxygen, not just to sanitize. in fact the oxygen removal part of the process is definitely more of a concern than the idea you would be adding bugs to your finished beer
    whatever you decide to do, it's your beer. Enjoy.
    Cheers.
     
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  3. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    I would not add water after fermenting. Instead go to some brew calculators for you next beer. Adding water to finished beer will thin it out and dull the flavor.
     
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  4. deleted_user_1007501

    deleted_user_1007501 Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2015

    Thanks fellas. I imagined it would certainly dilute, but it was worth posing a question. Just needed some reassurance!
     
  5. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    I would not add more water, as already said, it will just water it down.

    For your future beers, are you doing full boils? Why are you ending up at 4 gallons if you are attempting to end with 5? If you provide some details, we can help prevent this in the future.
     
  6. deleted_user_1007501

    deleted_user_1007501 Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2015

    I typically do extract and grain brewing, so I steep the grains in 3 gallons for 20 mins at 150-155 F, then I will bring to a boil and add the LME. The hot break typically happens a few minutes or so after that. I will add the bittering hops immediately after it breaks and gets to a rolling boil. I add the final 2 gallons before i chill the brew. It seems it's the allotted amount of time between the beginning of the boil and the first hop addition that lets lot of extra water can boil off. After the first hop addition it's always no more than 60 minutes. So overall I would say it's a 70 minute boil, but 10 minutes doesn't seem like it would have much of an impact on the yield.
     
  7. deleted_user_1007501

    deleted_user_1007501 Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2015

    I would also like to ask, since it is a smaller batch than usual, should the amount of priming sugar and water be the same as 5gal or less? Does it really matter? Sounds like a dumb question, but I would just like some outside input.
     
  8. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Okay, I'm going to take the opposite approach to the votes above. No one has asked if your final gravity is high because of the lower liquid amount, and you did not mention it either. Yes, if you have a higher FG and higher ABV, that is a good beer but it isn't what you wanted to brew. I've added as much as a gallon of water when I added my priming sugar. Just make sure that it isn't loaded with chlorine, and then boil it with your priming sugar. However, it's your beer, and either way is okay.

    To answer your last question, if you have only 4 gallons of beer instead of 5, then you need to adjust your priming sugar accordingly to 80% of what you would have used for 5 gallons. Boil it in a quart of water to get a thin sugar solution which will mix better into your beer.
     
  9. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    It sounds like you have a total of 5 gallons of water not including any that boils off. In a 60 minute boil, you could easily lose 1-1.5 gallons depending on how vigorous the boil is. Most brewing calculator allow you to adjust the amount of water you use to account for boil off.

    If you have 4 gallons of beer, you should add enough sugar to carbonate that amount of beer. Adding sugar like you have 5 gallons when you actually have 4 is a recipe for disaster. Regardless, you should not plan on using all of the sugar that comes with a kit, that is almost always too much for a 5 gallon batch. Use a calculator to figure out how much to add. Here is one such calculator http://www.northernbrewer.com/priming-sugar-calculator
     
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  10. deleted_user_1007501

    deleted_user_1007501 Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2015

    Thanks for all the insight! Just bottled, no water added, sampled it and it tastes great. ABV ended up exactly on target. Used a tad over 2.5 oz of priming sugar as opposed to the recommended 4.5 (took that calculator tool's measurements into consideration). Hopefully in 5-7 days it'll be carbed just right! Feeling really good about not watering it down now haha.
     
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  11. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    Depending on the temperature of the room where you have the bottles, you should be prepared to wait 10-20 days for the beer to feel fully carbonated. Feel free to try one after a week, but it might seem undercarbed and sweet because there is still some sugar in solution. Even if it doesn't taste sweet, the carbonation feeling will likely improve over the first 3-4 weeks.
     
  12. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    I've watered down my Irish Red recipe the last two time I've brewed it. It comes out porter black and needs to be thinned out a little. Taste your beer and then decide if you want to water it down by 20%. If you like the taste of it, you should leave it alone.
     
  13. ssam

    ssam Pundit (997) Dec 2, 2008 California

    I wouldn't dilute it that much, but I would feel totally comfortable using more-than-usual water for the priming sugar to squeeze out an extra bottle or two.
     
  14. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    It's a lot less uncommon a technique than the posts here would let on. I typically add, and I have one right now that I'm aiming to liquor back a bit before I bottle it. More to share and no one is going to miss that extra percent I took off of an already big beer.
     
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  15. MCBanjoMike

    MCBanjoMike Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2014 Canada (QC)

    My recent tripel wound up stronger than I wanted because my boiloff rate was higher than I predicted. When I bottled it, I used a larger-than-usual amount of water (1.5L) to bring it down something like half a percent in ABV. It turned out great! But I wouldn't dilute a beer that was already at my target ABV, that would just weaken it. Trub loss is a fact of IPA life, if you want to compensate for it you'll have to plan your recipe accordingly (since the hops absorb wort, not just water).
     
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