adding fruit to brett saison secondary

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  1. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I ramped my primary up over a week from room temp to 88 degrees and let it sit for another week at 88. I just racked on top of some blueberry puree. My question is should I continue to hold my temp at a higher than room temp or should I be okay keeping it at 68? I am planning on letting it sit for at least two more months, I'm looking at you oldsock.

    Oops, forgot specifics. Wlp670 american farmhouse (tastes funk as hell already), 1.090 og, 1.010 right now.
     
  2. atomeyes

    atomeyes Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Canada (ON)

    i would have waited 3 months before racking on fruit. let brett do its thing an bring the gravity down closer to 1.000. but oh well.

    hold at 68. think there were studies that showed that increased temps may not cause increase funk.

    and letting it sit for 2 more months when on a fruit puree? you're really pushing it. multiply that # by at least 6, in my opinion, if not more.


    if i were brewing what you brewed, i'd do this:

    -heat for 3 weeks
    -let it sit in primary for 3 more months
    -either rack to secondary that has the fruit or add fruit to primary. let it sit for 6-12 months.
     
  3. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Well....













    Shit.
     
  4. jhighlandbrewing

    jhighlandbrewing Initiate (0) Jun 9, 2011 Illinois

    I recently brewed a saison with a "clean" saison strain, let it complete fermentation (pretty close to 1.000 on its own), then added Brett from dregs from RR Sanct. This was only a one gallon batch, but I only let the batch sit with Brett for three weeks before adding mango. I pulled a sample this week at a month and a half on the mango, and I was really impressed with the funk developed by the Brett. This has been held in the very low sixties since Brett was added.

    I probably could have waited longer to let the Brett develop before adding fruit, but I have a handful of one gallon batches to experiment with.

    I tend to think you will be fine, and that as stated above, you will get good results holding in the sixties.
     
  5. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    From what I understand wlp670 ferments out pretty quickly (1.085 to 1.010 in two weeks), and also my understanding that brett needs something to eat in order to throw the brett flavors I enjoy. My thoughts in racking it onto the fruit was to give the brett more to chew through. And with sours sitting on fruit for months at a time I figured I would be pretty safe racking it over now. Hopefully this all works out and I'm drinking this crazy ale by august.
     
  6. atomeyes

    atomeyes Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Canada (ON)


    a simple break-down...

    brett likes to munch on things that are flakey. corn flakes, oat flakes, wheat flakes. so add some of that to your recipe.
    brett will eat anything. complexity is the key.

    now, why add the fruit after initial fermentation is done? maybe someone else can explain. i'd just think that it has to do with the order of operations; you want brett to eat the sugars from your boil first. once done, you then rack to fruit. probably increases overall complexity if you do it that way.
     
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  7. GeckoPunk

    GeckoPunk Initiate (0) Jul 29, 2012 Connecticut

    Who is this Brett you speak and will he eat my ex-gf as she was a little "flakey" :wink:
     
  8. atomeyes

    atomeyes Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Canada (ON)

    um...resisting the urge to answer that question....
     
  9. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Oh, there's some oats and a lot of wheat in my recipe. I'm familiar with brett and the types of sugar that sacc leaves alone that brett will eat. For some reason I had it in my head that, at 80% attenuation (quick guess) that adding the fruit would let the saison yeast jump in too. We'll see how it works in a couple of months. :slight_smile: if its good I'll send you a bottle, if it sucks... well I wouldn't do that to a stranger, the drain can have it.
     
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  10. atomeyes

    atomeyes Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Canada (ON)

    so, thinking this through, the question would be: why would you want the saison yeast to tackle the fructose? what benefit would there be to the beer's flavour?
     
  11. reverseapachemaster

    reverseapachemaster Zealot (722) Sep 21, 2012 Texas

    Once primary fermentation is done there's no need to keep it that warm. Brett doesn't need the warmer temperatures that saison strains need to produce certain flavors. You can just keep the beer at room temperature. That is fine for brett unless your room temperature is extremely cold or hot.

    The sugars in fruit are simple sugars and likely to be consumed by the sacc before brett gets into it. If your beer has been in primary for a week then sacc is still dominant. Brett is most likely still in a growth phase so it's not consuming sugars as fast as sacc will.

    Brett can metabolize starches but it doesn't need starches to create flavor. Brett will consume leftover sugars and starches as it finds it but brett will also metabolize the esters to create brett flavors. There's no need to feed more sugars or starches into the beer.

    You may have added the fruit a little too early but it's done and it won't be fatal to the beer. Let it ride for a few months at room temperature. Bottle when the gravity is stable and you like the flavor. The beer can reach a stable gravity but still have changes in flavor over time. If you don't like it after a couple months try it again in another month or two.
     
  12. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Well you see that's where it all fell apart. :confused:
     
  13. atomeyes

    atomeyes Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Canada (ON)

    KEEP IT TOGETHER, SON!!!
     
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