Adding lactose to an IPA

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  1. mjdailey87

    mjdailey87 Initiate (0) Nov 28, 2016 Pennsylvania

    I want to do just as the title says. I'm thinking about making an orange IPA recipe but want to add that lactose to it for a fuller creamier body. Let me know your thoughts!
     
  2. guinness77

    guinness77 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,554) Jan 6, 2014 New York
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    3 Floyds Apocalypse Cow.

    That was an amazing beer. Try it.
     
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    mjdailey87 Initiate (0) Nov 28, 2016 Pennsylvania

    I'll be making a 5gallon batch, so how much is enough? I see some guys say 1/2lb while others have said a full pound. I have yet to find a recipe that actually has the lactose in it. I was going to take an existing recipe and add the lactose to it. Would there be any problems in do this?
     
  4. guinness77

    guinness77 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,554) Jan 6, 2014 New York
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    I have never brewed before so I'm the wrong guy to answer those questions. I think the lactose, in my instance, added a touch of sweetness and definitely improved the feel. I liked the heft it provided for sure.

    I'm guessing if lactose doesn't work out, oats would probably be your best alternative.
     
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  5. hezagenius

    hezagenius Initiate (0) Jan 3, 2011 Iowa

    Lactose will give you both body and sweetness for sure. I've used 0.5# before with a Citra IPA and I thought the combination of lactose and Citra was a tad too sweet. The body, however, was perfect. A full pound in a 5 gallon batch might be pushing it, especially if you are adding actual oranges. I'd certainly experiment with it but I'd caution against a full pound out of the gates. You can always use Maltodextrin to get more body without the sweetness.

    My latest IPA is crash carbing right now. I did 0.25# lactose in that to give it a slight gravity boost and sweetness. I'll be curious to see how that one tastes once it's had some time in the keg. It's still pretty green right now.
     
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  6. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    For a barely detectable body and sweetness, use 1/4 lb in 5 gallons. For more noticeable, use 1/2 lb in 5 gallons. If you use more than that, it could turn into a thick syrupy goo.
     
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  7. Supergenious

    Supergenious Maven (1,273) May 9, 2011 Michigan

    Lactose is unfermentable. So you could always add more at bottling if you needed. So you could start with 1/4 lb in boil, try it at bottling (or kegging), and add more.
     
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  8. mjdailey87

    mjdailey87 Initiate (0) Nov 28, 2016 Pennsylvania

    Thanks for your tip! Some say it boosts gravity, but you say it doesn't.. what's the truth? Haha

    Also, at what point in the boil does it typically get added? I've seen some add it at the beginning.
     
  9. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    It definitely increases gravity, in a very predictable and measurable way. BTW, @Supergenious didn't say that lactose doesn't boost gravity. He said it's unfermentable (which is why it boosts original gravity and final gravity by the same amount).
     
  10. mjdailey87

    mjdailey87 Initiate (0) Nov 28, 2016 Pennsylvania

    Ah ha! I thought about that after I typed it if that was what that meant. Thank you for clearing that up.

    I'm still new to this site. I appreciate all the help you guys offer. Thanks!
     
  11. Supergenious

    Supergenious Maven (1,273) May 9, 2011 Michigan

    Yeah, it definitely boosts gravity, but I see you figured that out.
    I think you can add whenever you want. But most add it between 10 minutes - flame out.
    Actually, the best time to add it is never... I'm not a fan of lactose in beer. But to each their own. Cheers!
     
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  12. DVoors

    DVoors Zealot (627) Jan 6, 2014 Indiana

    If you do add lactose, I would avoid using any crystal malts, or it will finish too high and sweet.
     
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  13. 209Hill

    209Hill Aspirant (248) Dec 22, 2016 Virginia

    This. I use lactose in my standard pale ale with just a touch of carapils. For me, it adds body to a low ABV (~5%) ale and the residual sweetness lets me balance a heavier hop schedule. FWIW, I use 1 lb lactose in 5.5 gallon batch. YMMV.
     
  14. ECCS

    ECCS Pundit (755) Oct 28, 2015 Illinois

    I brewed a milkshake IPA which is almost done... I did .5 lb lactose with flaked oats and white wheat, base of golden promise. Heavily whirlpool and dryhop with citra and mosaic. This is first time trying this recipe, so .5lb seemed like the right starting amount. Added 10mins left in boil.
    Report back when you decide/brew/taste !
     
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  15. anteater

    anteater Pooh-Bah (1,936) Sep 10, 2012 Oregon
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    I've been working on a Milkshake IPA recipe and emailed it to Henok from Omnipollo. After some feedback from him, here's what I've got:

    78% 2 Row
    10% Flaked oats
    7% Lactose
    5% Wheat
    green apple puree

    0.5 oz Columbus at 60 min for 20 IBU
    2 oz each Citra/Mosaic at whirlpool, primary dry hop, regular dry hop (he specifically said to drop the 0 min addition and go heavy on WP/DH)

    5 bl mango puree
    1 vanilla bean
     
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  16. ECCS

    ECCS Pundit (755) Oct 28, 2015 Illinois

    Can you post any details about green apple purée ? Either what you do or what omnipollo recommended?

    I put cored 5 Granny Smith puréed apples in my boil for 10 mins. I puréed them to look like rabbit food.
     
  17. anteater

    anteater Pooh-Bah (1,936) Sep 10, 2012 Oregon
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    I really don't how they use the apple puree. I was going to dice them up and toss them in the mash and see what happens.
     
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