adding sugar to your fermenting wort...

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  1. atomeyes

    atomeyes Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Canada (ON)

    someone logically walk me through this....

    what's the difference between adding a sugar solution to your fermenting wort versus primer going into your bottles?

    i pitched a sugar solution into my active fermentation after the krausen dropped (wanted to bump up the gravity) so wondering how that chemically is different than the CO2-producing primer that's added post-fermentation
     
  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    "Chemically" it's exactly the same. You're producing alcohol and CO2. Just like when you bottle prime. The difference is that the CO2 in your fermenter can equilibrate with the atmosphere over time, whereas in the bottle it's trapped.
     
  3. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    Some add sugar to the boil. Same concept, it's just to add an element of sanitation. I don't have a personal preference most of the time and I'm willing to add it to a 5%+ beer just as table sugar from the jar. I've done this with maybe 5 batches. No issues yet.
     
  4. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    Adding sugar a few days into the primary fermentation will boost ABV / lower FG.
     
  5. Beerontwowheels

    Beerontwowheels Initiate (0) Nov 22, 2009 Maryland

    Is that inherently different from adding during the boil? I have my own ideas, but what say you?
     
  6. kjyost

    kjyost Initiate (0) May 4, 2008 Canada (MB)

    Nope. The same.

    To the OP, the difference is in the mass being used. 5 oz of sugar is about 42*5/16 = 13 points of fermentables added to a 5 gallon batch, or less than 3 pts added to your OG, just outside the margin of error (which I consider on a homebrew hydrometers +/-2)
     
  7. Beerontwowheels

    Beerontwowheels Initiate (0) Nov 22, 2009 Maryland

    One of the guys at the LHBS suggested I add belgian candi sugar to my saison a few days after fermentation begins because the sugar is like junk food to yeast. They will consume the easiest to digest sugars first and then could 'crap out' on the more complex sugars.
     
  8. kjyost

    kjyost Initiate (0) May 4, 2008 Canada (MB)

    While that is true, it is generally only a concern if you have a large proportion to simple sugars in a higher gravity wort, something like a BGSA or a tripel. The yeast won't get "lazy" from only 5% addition in a 1.050 wort.
     
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  9. TNGabe

    TNGabe Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2012 Tennessee

    Terrible analogy. Who eats a grew big meal and then has room for junk food? I also think your shop guy and everyone else who repeats this with no evidence are off their collective rocker. If you're using a normal amount of sugar, say up to 20%, it wil not effect the quality of your fermentation, at least not in my experience. Duvel, Gavroche, and other highly chaptalized commercial beers all add the sugar(s) to the kettle. The only commercial beers that are further chaptalized after the initial fermentation are bĂ­ere de brut and other high kinda stuff that exceed 20-25% fermentable from simple sugar.
     
  10. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    An ever increasing number of Americans? I do agree though that with reasonable simple sugar proportions there's no need to add late. I'd say his analogy was fine, but reflected a condition not encountered with most recipes.
     
  11. atomeyes

    atomeyes Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Canada (ON)

    2 more questions.

    1. flavour-wise, would you get more out of adding (for example) belgian candi sugar to a fermentor or to a kettle?
    2. what if i wanted to make a beer with 15% abv? if my OG came around 1.075 and, as the krausen started to fall, i added sugar every few days to bump the gravity up, would that still cause yeast fatigue? i assume the answer is yes. but not sure if we're looking at a marathon vs sprint analogy for yeast.
     
  12. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    With simple sugars (which really don't contribute flavors), it would be about the same either way. Some sugar sources (like honey) that do contribute flavors/aromas would do better added to the fermenter than the boil. If the Candi Sugar you're talking about is a dark sugar, it might be better to add to the fermenter.
     
  13. DrewF

    DrewF Initiate (0) Jan 3, 2010 Pennsylvania

    Jamil also suggested adding sugar late on the Belgian Tripel episode of CYBI. I don't have the link handy but I believe his specific recommendation was to add the sugar when attenuation was 3/4 complete.

    I tried that technique in my last tripel (warning: n=1) and was disappointed with the result. All of the beautiful Wy3787 aromas disappeared overnight and only ethyl acetate remained. In my case I reserved 2.5 lbs of cane sugar and 0.5 gallons of water from my original recipe. After reaching 3/4 of my expected FG, I boiled the sugar and water for 20 mins, cooled to fermenter temp, and added to the fermenter. I tried not to splash, but my guess is that oxygen got into the beer during this transfer, and since the yeast were past their growth phase they could not clear it.
     
  14. atomeyes

    atomeyes Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Canada (ON)


    and i've heard other suggestions saying to get sugar in the boil early so you get more delicious caramel flavour
     
  15. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    Used to wonder about that myself...too.

    Consider it a 100% fermentable fivehourenergy booster shot aimed directly at lowering FG.
     
  16. kjyost

    kjyost Initiate (0) May 4, 2008 Canada (MB)

    Sugar doesn't caramelize during a long boil unless you get your wort down to a gooey paste and raise the temperature of that we'll past boiling. I have no clue where people get this misconception from. You do get melanoidin production during long hard boils, but not caramelizatikn!
     
  17. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I almost posted the same comment, but he did say caramel 'flavour' (not necessarily caramel itself). Melanoidins can taste caramelly.
     
  18. kjyost

    kjyost Initiate (0) May 4, 2008 Canada (MB)

    Fair enough, but the exact same comment? Man I type poorly on my phone :flushed:
     
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