Adjunct Misinformation

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  1. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    I had a cask version of Mendocino Red Tail Ale in Ukiah back in the late 90s. It really reminded me of the alive but not fizzy beers that I had had in England. It was a moment that I'll never forget. The world got smaller.
     
  2. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    Haha I like that. I've never heard someone refer to themselves as pressurized, but I'm going to keep an ear out for it now. :grinning:
     
  3. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    What else could you be if you're constantly under pressure?
     
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  4. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    Pressured - unless you have no method to vent the pressure. Pressured implies more or less an ongoing state, whereas pressurized is more of an end state. "More of" and "more or less"; these aren't absolutes.

    To be fair, in engineering, I have heard the term jokingly applied to people hyperbolicly - usually with an obscene component, to boot. But then again, many engineering terms are co-opted for the sake of humor - as I'd assume every industry does.
     
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  5. HouseofWortship

    HouseofWortship Pooh-Bah (2,735) May 3, 2016 Illinois
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  6. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    What's wrong with simply pressed?
    Another pet hate is burglarized. At one time houses were simply burgled.
     
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  7. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    I can only speak from an engineering perspective, but in a pressurized water reactor, the component that maintains pressure is called the pressurizer. "Pressurer" is both not a word, and would sound very awkward in English (with the double R). What does the pressurizer do? Well, it maintains pressure - or, pressures, as you would. However, it's a very natural step to say that a pressurizer, well, pressurizes - and once it's in the lexicon, it's there.

    There may be other good reasons (clarity of communication by avoiding too many instances of the same term, in this case pressure, referring to multiple things), but simply dropping the "R" from "pressurizer" is a very normal method of turning a noun into a verb (or vice versa via adding the "R") in English when creating new words.

    That's the connection to adjunct, as well. The way some (many) brewers are now using the term, while contrary to the previous industry standard, is a natural step - and once it's there, it's there. :wink:

    (Man, I miss burgled. It sounds archaic now. Makes me want to fire up The Hobbit. :grinning: )
     
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  8. tolar111

    tolar111 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,094) Aug 17, 2008 New York
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    I found this article to be interesting.

    “Language is a living organism,” says Professor Jo Angouri of Warwick University’s applied linguistics department. “Unless it is a dead language like Latin, it changes as human beings engage with different phenomena and social worlds. Think what the word ‘apple’ means today—connotations are very different in different contexts.”

    https://www.goodbeerhunting.com/blo...-beer-language-from-michael-jackson-to-emojis
     
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  9. rozzom

    rozzom Pooh-Bah (2,620) Jan 22, 2011 New York
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    Are there historical/alternative terms for anal retentiveness?
     
  10. Coronaeus

    Coronaeus Grand Pooh-Bah (3,744) Apr 21, 2014 Canada (ON)
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    How about this one I hear in the office all the time.

    “I’m just going to a meeting to service my clients.”

    I always assume I work with a bunch of prostitutes who work in finance on the side.

    Also, why do people hate adverbs so much? They seem to be disappearing.....
     
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  11. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    It seems that if nothing else we can say that the debate about the use of adjunct in brewing does not aid clear communication.
    Exhibit A: an entire page of talk about pressurising and burglarizing
     
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  12. rozzom

    rozzom Pooh-Bah (2,620) Jan 22, 2011 New York
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    It’s crazy what gets modded on here for being off topic and what doesn’t. I guess when a mod is directly involved in the debate it’s an Exempt Thread™️
     
  13. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    I resemble that! :grinning:

    In all seriousness, I fully understand when I go off topic, and if I were moderated, I wouldn't protest. The fact of the matter - as has been explored elsewhere - is that moderation is based on user reports.

    If no one reports the posts as being off-topic, then no action is likely to be taken. We aren't, to paraphrase another moderator recently, actively looking for posts to delete or threads to lock down. We are responding to user reports.

    And in all transparency: if any single user reported my posts, I would refuse to weigh in, and let another moderator deal with it. That has never happened, to my knowledge (although I may have simply missed it), but I would never get involved in the moderation of my own posts. That's simply unethical, in my opinion.

    I'm sometimes surprised (perhaps pleasantly) by what passes for "off-topic" versus "on-topic," but at the end of the day, we're all people, having conversations. If I veer off-topic, I do so knowing that it may get deleted as such. I try not to veer too far from beer-related content, as I respect the site (hence, why I make contributions), but I recognize I might not always be the right person to adjudicate my own content - and again, I'd never object if it were determined that my own posts were too far out of bounds.


    TL;DR version: I am going to contribute to conversations on this site. I would argue most BAs know me more from discussion threads than from "like"-collecting threads like WBAYDN? At the same time, I don't pretend that I am immune from error, or being moderated, if I veer too far off course. I would fully expect it, honestly - and I don't think this thread is being maintained because of the involvement of a moderator in the discussion at large.
     
  14. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    Truth. Although I'd suggest that both of those terms, and the discussion surrounding them, are both evidence that the term "adjunct" both has and will be used as it suits the industry, following the course of common use, with or without our explicit stamp of approval. :slight_smile:
     
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  15. MistaRyte

    MistaRyte Pooh-Bah (2,681) Jan 14, 2008 Virginia
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    Constipated
     
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  16. MikeP64

    MikeP64 Zealot (661) Jan 24, 2015 South Carolina

    Obviously people here have different understandings of the word 'adjunct'...it is a thing added to something else. Just because we're discussing beer doesn't mean the definition of the word changes. I was 'corrected' after my use of the word by someone here on BA [no name calling] but that's all it is...something added to something that already exists.
     
  17. Junior

    Junior Pooh-Bah (1,883) May 23, 2015 Michigan
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    This is not true. Adjunct does have a more specific definition with respect to brewing. This happens within many industries.
     
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  18. islay

    islay Savant (1,211) Jan 6, 2008 Minnesota

    ... and it retains the standard English meaning as its primary and most common usage with respect to brewing and within the brewing industry. The idea that brewers and others in the beer industry usually are referring only to "malt adjuncts" and excluding flavoring adjuncts when they speak of "adjuncts" -- and that anyone in the industry who uses the broad definition is using it in error and/or out of ignorance -- is a myth contained largely to a group of BeerAdvocate users who keep repeating it to each other. Some brewers sometimes employ "adjuncts" as the shortened form of "malt adjuncts," and a small few mistakenly insist that the limited usage is the only acceptable usage.
     
  19. Shanex

    Shanex Grand Pooh-Bah (4,960) Dec 10, 2015 France
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    @Roguer responded pretty nicely although in length (:wink:) but in short; no, even the moderation team cannot read everything (it’s a big place with hundreds new posts every single day), nor the BA owners so indeed, based on reports we decide what is deemed OT, inappropriate or downright insulting. It’s not our only mission either, dozen new beer and places need approvals every week, along with their pics. We are volunteers by the way and as we (me at least) spend quite some time here thought we might as well help out with the site. Cheers.
     
  20. rozzom

    rozzom Pooh-Bah (2,620) Jan 22, 2011 New York
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    Totally appreciate that and thanks for volunteering and helping the site!

    I guess my comment wasn’t a case of criticizing the back and forth in this thread - more that it didn’t make sense in light of the fact that at the same time the Other Half 2020 thread in the mid-atlantic sub forum was being hyper-aggressively modded
     
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