Aeration/oxygenation after fermentation starts

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  1. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Would it be helpful to make a starter with another package of yeast to build cell count and pitch to see if they finish? I've managed to get yeast to clear up some diacetyl this way, but am not sure that you can expect to shave 20 points of gravity, given the stress of pitching into a high alcohol env't.

    My only experiences with egregiously stalled fermentations have been in two small batch mead experiments. My solution was to mix the meads with carbonated water for a less sweet, refreshing beverage. That's not the solution you want here.
     
  2. mattbk

    mattbk Savant (1,111) Dec 12, 2011 New York

    Is there a reference for this?

    Maybe I haven't stressed this enough somehow - but the fermentation is not stalled, just slowed a bit. I warmed it up (now hovering around 66-67 deg F) and it's still chugging along, just a bit slower than I'd like. It's a big beer (estimated ABV 9.2%) and will take a bit longer to finish. It hasn't been in the fermentor 2 weeks yet.

    The one sample I had, while a bit on the sweet side, was clean, no fusels, no atypical esters, certainly no diacetyl. I did pitch a lot of yeast at a very cool temperature. We'll have to see how it finishes. This was maybe more of a theoretical question than a "what do I do now?!?!?!" question. Thanks for the responses.
     
  3. honkey

    honkey Maven (1,350) Aug 28, 2010 Arizona
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    http://www.siebelinstitute.com/prod...ypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=20&category_id=9

    The only other sources I have are my notes from Siebel, which I am not allowed to share. It is completely possible that your beer right now would actually have a few things going for it that would lead to lower esters than if you had aerated to start, but if you aerated now I would bet that you would then have esters and fusels form. An easy way to think about it, is anything that makes yeast reproduce increases esters and fusels. That is why when you overptitch, the yeast contributes less esters.
    So you didn't aerate, the yeast didn't reproduce as much as they would have in an ideal fermentation, and that one factor lead to decreased levels. Than you have the stress which would increase the esters potentially back to a normal level. But, the types of esters are probably different. Instead of ethyl-acetate, you could have ethyl hexanoate which is a milder flavor (for me at least) and has a licorice, red apple type flavor. I found this ester to be more difficult to pick up at a concentration of 3 times the flavor threshold in a spiked sample of Budweiser than most other flavors. I hope the beer comes out well for you!
     
  4. MLucky

    MLucky Initiate (0) Jul 31, 2010 California

    Interesting discussion. I have heard of people doing a second blast of oxygen 24 hours after pitching with high gravity beers, but I have not done so. I've never heard of anyone recommending oxygen as a means of re-starting a stalled or slow fermentation, and I would be wary of that idea for the reasons stated above: it's questionable whether this would result in any additional attenuation, and it seems like a good way to oxidize the beer.

    When in doubt, I tend to fall back on two common sense notions: 1) if something is not common practice, there's probably a good reason. People have been brewing beer for a long time. There's good money in it. Almost everything that you can think of to try has been tried. The things that work become common practice. The things that don't ... don't. 2) Most brewing problems are best addressed with patience. In this case, it doesn't sound like the OP necessarily has a problem at all: the beer is fermenting, albeit slowly, and will probably reach a reasonable degree attenuation for the style in due time. (If it doesn't quite get there, it'll still be drinkable. And you'll next time that you need to aerate more thoroughly at pitching.) So why do anything that could risk ruining the batch?
     
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  5. mattbk

    mattbk Savant (1,111) Dec 12, 2011 New York

    This is probably true. But that doesn't mean you need to follow the status quo 100% of time and not question things. How many of you follow everything stated in How to Brew every single time for every single batch? I'd rather ask the questions and find out I'm wrong than not find out that there may be a better way.

    You are right though - there's really no problem. I never intended to actually do this, as stated (twice) in my first post. Just asking questions and sparking discussion in the interest of learning something, which I did. I appreciate everyone's input on this.
     
  6. tngolfer

    tngolfer Initiate (0) Feb 16, 2012 Tennessee

    Questioning what others have suggested, would adding more yeast work? You are introducing the yeast into a pretty alcoholic environment.
     
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