Age Vs Maintain

Discussion in 'Cellaring / Aging Beer' started by Graviz, Jun 1, 2012.

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  1. Graviz

    Graviz Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2012 Colorado

    What if you just want to buy a bunch of your favorite beer and really just want to save it. I see a bunch of people taking about beers falling off after a couple years (ie Parabola, Sucaba, etc). What if you stored beers at a cooler temp? 35-40 degrees or colder? Would that slow the aging process?
     
  2. Hophead717

    Hophead717 Initiate (0) Oct 21, 2011 Massachusetts

    Yes, storing beers at a lower temperatures slows the aging process, relative to storing at a higher temperature.
     
  3. SpottedZombie

    SpottedZombie Initiate (0) Feb 7, 2012 Illinois

    Has anyone ever had two beers side by side cellared at different temperatures? Would keeping beer at 34 deg F. possibly ruin beer over time?
     
  4. Hophead717

    Hophead717 Initiate (0) Oct 21, 2011 Massachusetts

    I wouldn't think it could ruin the beer--just slow the aging process to a crawl. If it's a corked beer, long-term refrigeration may cause problems, I read. Beyond that, I can't think of any concerns that aren't also present in aging at cellar temps.
     
  5. Graviz

    Graviz Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2012 Colorado

    Why would everyone age it colder then? You would want your beer to last longer right? I would think slower aging would be better than fast aging. Am I missing something?
     
  6. SpottedZombie

    SpottedZombie Initiate (0) Feb 7, 2012 Illinois

    My guess is there's something that happens with the tannins and esters at a certain temperature, or something chemically that happens at a certain threshold of heat.
     
  7. Hophead717

    Hophead717 Initiate (0) Oct 21, 2011 Massachusetts

    People enjoy how certain beers change over time. For IPAs, obviously, these changes from aging are not desirable. So, most BAs would recommend storing these beers cold and consuming them as soon as possible. For beers such as lambics, imperial stouts, or barleywines, many BAs prefer the beer after some of the changes have occurred. So, they will store the beer between 55 and 60 (really probably 70 haha) and enjoy the beer later. They often have one fresh and one aged to compare how flavors change. If they enjoy the cellared beer, they age more of it! If they aged these beers in the fridge, it would take a lot longer for the desired flavor changes to develop.
     
  8. Graviz

    Graviz Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2012 Colorado

    Do you think if you have the patience and age it slower it will turn out better similar to cooking or smoking some bbq?
     
  9. Hophead717

    Hophead717 Initiate (0) Oct 21, 2011 Massachusetts

    That's an interesting question, but one I am entirely unable to guess at.
     
  10. El_Zilcho

    El_Zilcho Initiate (0) May 3, 2012 Virginia

    keep it in the fridge if you want it to change as little as possible over time
     
  11. mltobin

    mltobin Pooh-Bah (2,408) Apr 1, 2007 Connecticut
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    Yup, if you want it truly age, you stick it in a cellar or cool/dark closet. If you want it to have close to its current characteristics when you drink it, put it in the fridge and don`t wait that long to enjoy it.
     
  12. Graviz

    Graviz Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2012 Colorado

    Why don't wait long? I thought colder equals slower aging which equals ability to keep it longer without falling off as quick?
     
  13. Hophead717

    Hophead717 Initiate (0) Oct 21, 2011 Massachusetts

    I guess the idea is that not all beers "fall off" as they age. Certain beers get better for some period of time. If you expect a beer to get better, then you'd like it to happen more quickly, so you store it at cellar temperatures. If you do not expect a beer to get better with age, then you store it in the fridge.
     
  14. Graviz

    Graviz Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2012 Colorado

    What if you expect both. I think beers could evolve over time but I believe a slower aging process would yield better results than fast aging through warmer temperatures. Thoughts?
     
  15. Levitation

    Levitation Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2009 California

    similar to how you bake a pizza at 425 f to get a crispier crust and at 400 f to get a softer one, aging at 34 f vs. 55 f is going to make a big difference in which characteristics change and dominate over others. it's going to be a matter of preference, assuming there aren't things like bottle variation skewing the results from the beginning.
     
  16. Graviz

    Graviz Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2012 Colorado

    This goes back to my original question, is aging slower (if you have the time) or faster (if you're inpatient) better? Is the pizza or smoking meat analogy better? Can anyone speak from actual experience? If so what did you notice? I'm asking because I don't know but I've been told by multiple brewers colder is always better for aging if you have the means. It seems like most people in this forum say warmer is better (55ish).
     
  17. paulys55

    paulys55 Initiate (0) Aug 2, 2010 Pennsylvania

    Are you sure you're not mixing up "aging" with "storing"? I only ask because if it were true that colder is better for aging, everyone would just keep their beer in the fridge.
     
  18. Graviz

    Graviz Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2012 Colorado

    Yes aging. Good question, which is why I'm asking it. You realize beer still ages even in a fridge right? Just at a slower rate... The question is does slower aging yield better results.
     
  19. Hophead717

    Hophead717 Initiate (0) Oct 21, 2011 Massachusetts

    My final thoughts: 1. No one really ages this way, so there's no certain way to tell. Even anecdotal evidence is hard to come by (as seen in this thread). 2. Aging at these low temperatures would take much longer than aging at traditional cellar temperatures (no, I do not have a time conversion estimate). So, it would be very difficult to compare the two processes--how old of a fridge stored bottle would you compare with a one year old cellared bottle? No one could advise you to that.

    All I can say for certain is: 1. The traditionally cellared bottle would evolve faster, reaching its peak at some time that you may be able to determine from reading reviews and cellaring threads. 2. The fridge stored bottle would take longer to "fall off," but it would be harder to keep the bottle to reach its peak (due to discipline in not drinking, but more importantly no idea about how quickly the aging process will evolve).

    There is a lot of guess work in cellaring, but some general guidelines/best practices have evolved over the years. By fridge storing, you rob yourself of that knowledge and enter the great unknown.
     
  20. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    I've always understood it as the colder it is the longer the beer will remain the same, so if you are looking for changes in your beer over time you cellar at higher temperatures (compared to refrigeration).
     
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